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[Michael K.]

Some interesting stuff coming out about Pete being let go. AI did a good job of paraphrasing what I heard, but Cowherd has been saying this for awhile now.

Yes, sportscaster Colin Cowherd has suggested there was a difference in philosophy and an eventual power shift that led to the end of Pete Carroll's tenure with the Seahawks and John Schneider taking full control.
While Carroll and Schneider maintained a public front of a good relationship, reports and comments from Carroll himself hint at underlying tensions as the franchise looked to move in a different direction.
Key details:
"John's turn": Pete Carroll stated that his departure was about giving John Schneider "his turn" to run the team as the sole decision-maker.
Philosophical differences: Carroll admitted that he and Schneider "might not agree on all of those changes" the team needed to make, with Carroll preferring to stick with some veteran players (like Geno Smith) longer than Schneider would have.
Cowherd's analysis: Cowherd has made comments highlighting the "power struggle" aspects and the differing philosophies, particularly regarding personnel decisions like the handling of Russell Wilson and Geno Smith.
Public statements: Both Carroll and Schneider publicly downplayed any major conflict and emphasized mutual respect, but the management structure change (moving Carroll to an advisory role and making Schneider the final authority) confirmed a shift in dynamics.
In summary, while they didn't have a public war of words, the decision to change the power structure and direction of the team created a clear difference in opinion, which Cowherd has highlighted in his commentary.

I always thought it was a weird dynamic. HC and GM, but the HC is also the GM's boss?

[D-train]

Seems to be working a little better now. LOL

[Bil522]

The carnage from the 2024 HC hiring cycle, but for the grace of God go thee. Kafka was interviewed twice by the seahawks, he's been named interim for the giants

Seven other head coaches were hired in 2024, the year Mike Macdonald was hired but Mike Kafka was not. Here’s the latest:

Antonio Pierce was fired by the Raiders
Jerod Mayo was fired by the Patriots
Brian Callahan was fired by the Titans, the first coaching casualty this season
Dave Canales led the Panthers to a 5-12 record in ‘24, and has brought them finally to 5-5 this season
Jim Harbaugh is fine
Raheem Morris is headed towards a second straight losing record with the Falcons
Dan Quinn’s Commanders have taken a massive step backward, and it’s not only because of Jayden Daniels injuries
Harbuagh and Macdonald are the runaway winners of the ‘24 hirings, and it’s not remotely close after that.

I really wasn't excited about replacing Pete, not because of being a Pete lover but just the odds of finding another decent coach. But they did it, JS did it, he nailed it. Just like looking for a qb, you could be stuck with a decade of mediocrity. Titans fans have to be going nuts

I just read a piece on Kafka in the Athletic that the Seahawks did interview for the head job but then tried to get to be Macdonald's OC, but the Giants refused to let him make a lateral move, and he stayed with the Giants.

[douche]

I always thought it was a weird dynamic. HC and GM, but the HC is also the GM's boss?

I always thought that was a bit strange myself. PC had final say on everything while in SEA.

Now he just chews gum for the Raiders.

[Donn Beach]

Some interesting stuff coming out about Pete being let go. AI did a good job of paraphrasing what I heard, but Cowherd has been saying this for awhile now.

Yes, sportscaster Colin Cowherd has suggested there was a difference in philosophy and an eventual power shift that led to the end of Pete Carroll's tenure with the Seahawks and John Schneider taking full control.
While Carroll and Schneider maintained a public front of a good relationship, reports and comments from Carroll himself hint at underlying tensions as the franchise looked to move in a different direction.
Key details:
"John's turn": Pete Carroll stated that his departure was about giving John Schneider "his turn" to run the team as the sole decision-maker.
Philosophical differences: Carroll admitted that he and Schneider "might not agree on all of those changes" the team needed to make, with Carroll preferring to stick with some veteran players (like Geno Smith) longer than Schneider would have.
Cowherd's analysis: Cowherd has made comments highlighting the "power struggle" aspects and the differing philosophies, particularly regarding personnel decisions like the handling of Russell Wilson and Geno Smith.
Public statements: Both Carroll and Schneider publicly downplayed any major conflict and emphasized mutual respect, but the management structure change (moving Carroll to an advisory role and making Schneider the final authority) confirmed a shift in dynamics.
In summary, while they didn't have a public war of words, the decision to change the power structure and direction of the team created a clear difference in opinion, which Cowherd has highlighted in his commentary.

I always thought it was a weird dynamic. HC and GM, but the HC is also the GM's boss?

Yeah, that could be pretty accurate. In contrast to the article from a few years ago on how they managed to get along. I don't think it ever was about Pete telling JS what to do. I think they were able to reach consensus in the past but that began to fail. This mini rebuild could have been the breaking point. Pete wanted Smith and DK extended. Like I said before, what's interesting to me is the difference in coaching with Pete gone rather than players. But Smith and DK was a pretty big deal

[Donn Beach]

The carnage from the 2024 HC hiring cycle, but for the grace of God go thee. Kafka was interviewed twice by the seahawks, he's been named interim for the giants

Seven other head coaches were hired in 2024, the year Mike Macdonald was hired but Mike Kafka was not. Here’s the latest:

Antonio Pierce was fired by the Raiders
Jerod Mayo was fired by the Patriots
Brian Callahan was fired by the Titans, the first coaching casualty this season
Dave Canales led the Panthers to a 5-12 record in ‘24, and has brought them finally to 5-5 this season
Jim Harbaugh is fine
Raheem Morris is headed towards a second straight losing record with the Falcons
Dan Quinn’s Commanders have taken a massive step backward, and it’s not only because of Jayden Daniels injuries
Harbuagh and Macdonald are the runaway winners of the ‘24 hirings, and it’s not remotely close after that.

I really wasn't excited about replacing Pete, not because of being a Pete lover but just the odds of finding another decent coach. But they did it, JS did it, he nailed it. Just like looking for a qb, you could be stuck with a decade of mediocrity. Titans fans have to be going nuts

I just read a piece on Kafka in the Athletic that the Seahawks did interview for the head job but then tried to get to be Macdonald's OC, but the Giants refused to let him make a lateral move, and he stayed with the Giants.

Yeah, now they are trying to drum up a story of Kubiak coaching the Giants

“After torching defenses with Sam Darnold under center, Kubiak figures to be the hottest coaching candidate in this upcoming cycle,” Woodruff writes. “If he’s intrigued by the trio of Jaxson Dart, Malik Nabers and Cam Skattebo as his lead quarterback, wide receiver and running back, New York could be a great landing spot for him come winter.”

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[Bil522]

The carnage from the 2024 HC hiring cycle, but for the grace of God go thee. Kafka was interviewed twice by the seahawks, he's been named interim for the giants


I really wasn't excited about replacing Pete, not because of being a Pete lover but just the odds of finding another decent coach. But they did it, JS did it, he nailed it. Just like looking for a qb, you could be stuck with a decade of mediocrity. Titans fans have to be going nuts

I just read a piece on Kafka in the Athletic that the Seahawks did interview for the head job but then tried to get to be Macdonald's OC, but the Giants refused to let him make a lateral move, and he stayed with the Giants.

Yeah, now they are trying to drum up a story of Kubiak coaching the Giants

“After torching defenses with Sam Darnold under center, Kubiak figures to be the hottest coaching candidate in this upcoming cycle,” Woodruff writes. “If he’s intrigued by the trio of Jaxson Dart, Malik Nabers and Cam Skattebo as his lead quarterback, wide receiver and running back, New York could be a great landing spot for him come winter.”

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Last week Softy and Dick were talking about Kubiak as a HC and they were saying, in an interview, he just would not have the juice needed to be a HC. Some guys are just better behind the scenes.

[auroraave]

I always thought it was a weird dynamic. HC and GM, but the HC is also the GM's boss?

I always thought that was a bit strange myself. PC had final say on everything while in SEA.

Now he just chews gum for the Raiders.

Chewing bubble gum? Check. Kicking ass? Nope!

[douche]

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[Michael K.]

Yeah, that could be pretty accurate. In contrast to the article from a few years ago on how they managed to get along. I don't think it ever was about Pete telling JS what to do. I think they were able to reach consensus in the past but that began to fail. This mini rebuild could have been the breaking point. Pete wanted Smith and DK extended. Like I said before, what's interesting to me is the difference in coaching with Pete gone rather than players. But Smith and DK was a pretty big deal

I know you are a huge Pete fan, so let me put this delicately. Do you really think that Pete wasn't a big part of the problem when you look at the way this roster looks now as apposed to when he was a part of the decision making process? I was a huge John detractor, but even I admitted that he had done a real good job other than the O Line. It's starting to look like he was right, and they just needed a better scheme. Of course, keeping the two tackles healthy helps a lot.

But once John had full say so? I would think even you would admit that the personnel has improved greatly....no? Coincidence? You say Pete did all of this in the off season in Vegas....how has that worked out? The proof just isn't there to suggest that Pete was outstanding at talent evaluation....not the further he got from being around the college game and knowing all of those guys. He fell in love with veterans and other people's cast offs.