Sure but not ideal to have starting 3B only start 20 games in his career there. In the minors he started 29 out of almost 700 games there.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 5:36 pmI'm thinking maybe Donovan only played 20 games at 3rd base because Nolan Arenado was playing there
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Re: Who had the best plan from the mariners podsters
Again, it's best to become familiar with the details of a plan before attempting to critique the plan. The plan did not non-tender Luke Raley; the plan traded Raley to the Cleveland Guardians.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 5:24 pmSwapping out Castillo for Gore is fine I guess.
Adding Donovan is good but he has only played 20 games at 3B so you still don't have a 3rd baseman. And you have 3 2nd basemen.
Putting Herrin and his 4.85 ERA and 5.08 FIP and 1.57 WHIP in the Bullpen is insane.
They predicted Santos was going to be tendered which they were wrong about.
Bring Garver back makes me want to puke since he basically stole millions from the team.
They were also wrong about Raley not being tendered and replacing him with Castro is lame.
Overall I would give the plan a C- and I don't see this as a WS roster in the least.
Brendan Donovan is not a perfect fit at third base but Donovan has 6 Defensive Runs Saved, 3 Outs Above Average and a UZR/150 of 11.3 in 269.2 career innings at the hot corner:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/brend ... d-fielding
In St. Louis, Donovan's time at third base was limited by the presence of nine-time Gold Glove third baseman Nolan Arenado,
Some fans prefer to pay a premumim for a player coming off a career year; some successful front offices look for value in players coming off down years. Lefty reliever Tim Herrin may fall into the latter category ... or not.
Luis Castillo has been a solid contributor for the Mariners (despite his detractors on this forum). However, tough decisions are needed in any competitive business.
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I like the idea of bringing in Mackenzie Gore though I would prefer to give up a package built around Felnin Celesten vs. Harry Ford.
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Ok good for them for not non tendering him but Raley is a much better option than Castro for UT. I bet he has a bounce back season next season like Polo did this season.harmony wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 6:42 pmAgain, it's best to become familiar with the details of a plan before attempting to critique the plan. The plan did not non-tender Luke Raley; the plan traded Raley to the Cleveland Guardians.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 5:24 pmSwapping out Castillo for Gore is fine I guess.
Adding Donovan is good but he has only played 20 games at 3B so you still don't have a 3rd baseman. And you have 3 2nd basemen.
Putting Herrin and his 4.85 ERA and 5.08 FIP and 1.57 WHIP in the Bullpen is insane.
They predicted Santos was going to be tendered which they were wrong about.
Bring Garver back makes me want to puke since he basically stole millions from the team.
They were also wrong about Raley not being tendered and replacing him with Castro is lame.
Overall I would give the plan a C- and I don't see this as a WS roster in the least.
Brendan Donovan is not a perfect fit at third base but Donovan has 6 Defensive Runs Saved, 3 Outs Above Average and a UZR/150 of 11.3 in 269.2 career innings at the hot corner:
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/brend ... d-fielding
In St. Louis, Donovan's time at third base was limited by the presence of nine-time Gold Glove third baseman Nolan Arenado,
Some fans prefer to pay a premumim for a player coming off a career year; some successful front offices look for value in players coming off down years. Lefty reliever Tim Herrin may fall into the latter category ... or not.
Luis Castillo has been a solid contributor for the Mariners (despite his detractors on this forum). However, tough decisions are needed in any competitive business.
I am fine with Donovan at 3B if he has the arm to play there.
I disagree that this is the season to hope that a reliever who was terrible for an entire season will magically be good again. A million better options.
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What this comes down to is swapping Castillo for Gore which is basically just a wash and adding Donovan. The rest is just Flotsam and Jetsam and making moves to make moves.
If you just keep Castillo and Ford instead of Gore and Garver you can expect the same WAR. There is no reason to dump salary because Donovan is only going to cost $6M.
Just trade for Donovan and be done with it. It is a massive overthink by two guys with way too much time on their hands because they couldn't attract a woman even if somebody gave them each a Billion Dollars.
Just go with this trade from my plan and you also get a 22 yo OFer that had almost a .900 OPS in AA this season that can be your new RF as soon as mid season or by 2027 at the latest. Then trade prospect(s) for a high leverage reliever like you should have deadline or buy one in FA with rest of the budget that you still have instead of downgrading you pen with the Herrin guy. Even Tyler Cleveland that will likely be snagged in the Rule V draft is a better option than him.
If you just keep Castillo and Ford instead of Gore and Garver you can expect the same WAR. There is no reason to dump salary because Donovan is only going to cost $6M.
Just trade for Donovan and be done with it. It is a massive overthink by two guys with way too much time on their hands because they couldn't attract a woman even if somebody gave them each a Billion Dollars.
Just go with this trade from my plan and you also get a 22 yo OFer that had almost a .900 OPS in AA this season that can be your new RF as soon as mid season or by 2027 at the latest. Then trade prospect(s) for a high leverage reliever like you should have deadline or buy one in FA with rest of the budget that you still have instead of downgrading you pen with the Herrin guy. Even Tyler Cleveland that will likely be snagged in the Rule V draft is a better option than him.
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Earlier this month a Locked On Nationals podcaster proposed a trade of Harry Ford and Kade Anderson for MacKenzie Gore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBICoo8Zqo
... at 13:00.
No thanks.
Earlier this month Federal Baseball columnist Sam Sallick wrote of a potential Gore trade: "If you can get a top 100 prospect as well as a couple solid secondary prospects, you have to pull the trigger."
https://www.federalbaseball.com/nationa ... ade-boards
Six years of the 22-year-old Ford would be ideal for the Nationals after Washington finished dead last this year in WAR from the catcher position:
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... 8&month=35
... and a long way behind the 28th-ranked club in team WAR from the catcher slot.
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Yes, Harry Ford would be a great fit for the Nationals. I hate to give him up, but if the Mariners trade Castillo, a follow-up trade of Ford for Gore makes a lot of sense. But, they don't have to trade Castillo. He's fine. The salary is fine. I just wish his changeup would come back.harmony wrote: ↑Sat Nov 22, 2025 10:32 pmEarlier this month a Locked On Nationals podcaster proposed a trade of Harry Ford and Kade Anderson for MacKenzie Gore:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBICoo8Zqo
... at 13:00.
No thanks.
Earlier this month Federal Baseball columnist Sam Sallick wrote of a potential Gore trade: "If you can get a top 100 prospect as well as a couple solid secondary prospects, you have to pull the trigger."
https://www.federalbaseball.com/nationa ... ade-boards
Six years of the 22-year-old Ford would be ideal for the Nationals after Washington finished dead last this year in WAR from the catcher position:
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... 8&month=35
... and a long way behind the 28th-ranked club in team WAR from the catcher slot.
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They aren't trading Castillo so it is pointless to discuss it.
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It is an easy way to free-up the spot for Skubal and still have the $ for another bat or 2 and a BP guy. He is only signed for 48M over the next 2 years so he is not hard to move at all. You can dream on rebound velocity but even as-is he is solid as a mid late guy in the innings eater mode.
The one thing I would point out is: Does Detroit actually value getting 2 or 3 prospects or whatever they dream to be the best package for the last year of Skubal. They should be contenders based on the youth they have
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It is truly amazing how oblivious you are to public info. It is like impossible to not know basic facts in 2025 but you some how don't on a very regular basis. The internet is free bro! LOL Tigers want a MLB starter in return. Could do Kirby for Skubal straight up and sweeten the pot with a prospect but I doubt it happens.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 1:50 amIt is an easy way to free-up the spot for Skubal and still have the $ for another bat or 2 and a BP guy. He is only signed for 48M over the next 2 years so he is not hard to move at all. You can dream on rebound velocity but even as-is he is solid as a mid late guy in the innings eater mode.
The one thing I would point out is: Does Detroit actually value getting 2 or 3 prospects or whatever they dream to be the best package for the last year of Skubal. They should be contenders based on the youth they have
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