The Captain of all off season plans.

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:18 pm

Sloan is undervalued by BTV. He is by far our best pitching prospect and I think we should keep him to replace Castillo in 2028 or even 2027. Throw Arroyo in there instead to replace Donovan in INF for the Cards.
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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:59 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:36 pm

Trade 3
Jurrangelo Cijnite, and Ryan Sloan for Brendan Donovan (BTV Value 32.1 – 30.0 in favor of Seattle)
Donovan put up a 2.7 WAR and a 119 OPS+ in 2025. He is under control for 2 years expected arbitration number in 2026 $5.75 Mil
Donovan gives you flexibility by playing multiple positions. This will allow them to have a stable vet that they can move around the infield while they try to work in Emerson, Young, Williamson Arroyo etc. over the next couple of years. This is especially important if JP leaves following this season. I hate to give up both Sloan and Cijnite but the Cardinals are in desperate need of pitching prospects so I think this would be more likely to be accepted than a bunch of position prospects.
I think the Cardinals would fall over themselves agreeing to this one. The Mariners would be the laughingstock of the league.

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:37 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:59 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:36 pm

Trade 3
Jurrangelo Cijnite, and Ryan Sloan for Brendan Donovan (BTV Value 32.1 – 30.0 in favor of Seattle)
Donovan put up a 2.7 WAR and a 119 OPS+ in 2025. He is under control for 2 years expected arbitration number in 2026 $5.75 Mil
Donovan gives you flexibility by playing multiple positions. This will allow them to have a stable vet that they can move around the infield while they try to work in Emerson, Young, Williamson Arroyo etc. over the next couple of years. This is especially important if JP leaves following this season. I hate to give up both Sloan and Cijnite but the Cardinals are in desperate need of pitching prospects so I think this would be more likely to be accepted than a bunch of position prospects.
I think the Cardinals would fall over themselves agreeing to this one. The Mariners would be the laughingstock of the league.
Totally agree.
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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Nov 25, 2025 11:03 pm

Sloan is the best pitching prospect we've had since Felix.

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 12:24 am

Yes on the first 2, no on the 3rd. You get your OF you get your DH/1B & a lights out lefty for the pen. Offseason complete there.

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by Seattle or Bust » Wed Nov 26, 2025 1:00 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:37 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:59 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:36 pm

Trade 3
Jurrangelo Cijnite, and Ryan Sloan for Brendan Donovan (BTV Value 32.1 – 30.0 in favor of Seattle)
Donovan put up a 2.7 WAR and a 119 OPS+ in 2025. He is under control for 2 years expected arbitration number in 2026 $5.75 Mil
Donovan gives you flexibility by playing multiple positions. This will allow them to have a stable vet that they can move around the infield while they try to work in Emerson, Young, Williamson Arroyo etc. over the next couple of years. This is especially important if JP leaves following this season. I hate to give up both Sloan and Cijnite but the Cardinals are in desperate need of pitching prospects so I think this would be more likely to be accepted than a bunch of position prospects.
I think the Cardinals would fall over themselves agreeing to this one. The Mariners would be the laughingstock of the league.
Totally agree.
Yeah... no team is trading 2x top 100 arms for a 3ish WAR utility player in Arb 2.

Of note, Donovan is represented by Drew Bledsoe and his brother who live in Bend.

MAYBE HE'LL LOVE THE NW :lol:

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 26, 2025 2:44 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 7:10 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:37 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:37 pm



Here this guy who put out a Top 100 prospect list with scouting reports explains why he left Farmelo off the list.
This is the ongoing issue I see with Jurrangelo Cijntje, the misconception. I don't believe his switch pitching should be an aspect to his evaluation in the first place. I don't believe it was a factor in them drafting him
Perhaps not but they sure hyped it up. He has sucked as a lefty and a LHP vs. a LH hitter is the biggest advantage in baseball so yeah, I would think they would just put in a LH reliever whenever he is about to face a Lefty if he has thrown any where near his pitch limit.
Where did they hype it up? That's from when they drafted him, seems pretty accurate
“We're going to let Jurrangelo make that decision to start,” Mariners director of amateur scouting Scott Hunter said. “That's the fun part of it. ... There is a huge advantage if he does do both. I don't think it will be a true left today, right tomorrow. It's more about maybe picking matchups and seeing how it works in the Minor Leagues. But it is definitely an option that's on the table to keep it going.”
Terms of bringing in a leftie, there's the three hitter rule, they need to be a pretty reliable leftie these days. I don't think it ever be like he's pitching to righties with one hand and lefties the other. But there could be some match-up advantages if he improved leftie. It could be about like 3rd time through the lineup sort of deal. You're changing hands the second or third time facing certain batters

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 26, 2025 4:17 am

That being said, Cijntje is probably an unlikely trade candidate. It might be more minor than people realize but the leftie thing is still an unknown. I'm gonna say I'd be surprised if he's traded

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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 26, 2025 1:16 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Nov 26, 2025 4:17 am
That being said, Cijntje is probably an unlikely trade candidate. It might be more minor than people realize but the leftie thing is still an unknown. I'm gonna say I'd be surprised if he's traded
He is only giving up a .259 BAA vs. Lefties but a horrific 39 walks in 40 innings giving him a 1.98 WHIP vs lefties. Maybe that can be fixed or it at least improved. An elite .171 BAA and 0.78 WHIP vs righties.
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Re: The Captain of all off season plans.

Post by Captain 97 » Wed Nov 26, 2025 7:22 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Nov 25, 2025 11:03 pm
Sloan is the best pitching prospect we've had since Felix.
Why do you suppose the prospect rankings don't seem to agree with that? MLB has him ranked 44th while Cade Anderson is 9th. (Felix was #3 in 2005 BTW) Bleacher Report has Sloan at 80, Roto Prospects has him at 56.
Not saying your wrong. Just curious to know why you think so much more highly of him than the so called experts.

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