A plan for the 3x trade favorites 3.0

[Captain 97]

Trades:

Mariners trade SP Luis Castillo, 2B Cole Young, SP Ryan Sloan, OF Tai Peete to the Tigers for SP Tarik Skubal, RHP Ty Madden

Rationale: I think the Tigers line up well as a trade partner for Castillo, especially in a deal for Skubal. Why? Because they're a team that still figures on contending even if they trade Skubal and Castillo helps fill the void in moving him. Maybe the M's have to throw a little money in to get a deal done, but the point still stands. Detroit's middle infield is a mess with a SS who put up -0.8 WAR and Gleyber Torres as a F/A. Young can slot into either position right away for them. Sloan gives them their elite starting pitching prospect back in the deal. Peete is a wild card with potential in the OF. Skubal is self explanatory for the M's. Ty Madden is an intriguing arm... a former 1st round pick, he struggled in the minors and was out all year with an injury. I see a move to the bullpen for him because there's some untapped potential in maxing out his fastball.

Mariners trade SP Logan Evans, 2B Michael Arroyo, SP Michael Morales to the Cardinals for 2B/3B Brendan Donovan

Rationale: I feel like the Cardinals would be after players who are MLB ready or close to it because they never figure on wanting a full rebuild. They've got a lot of young talent in house and Evans/Morales give them a couple arms they can slot into a very thin rotation sooner rather than later. Arroyo should get the majors at some point this year. In '27, this would give STL an infield at 2B/SS/3B of top 50 prospects in baseball all at the same time. Donovan is a clear fit for the M's at 2B... giving them elite D and contact at the position.

Mariners trade SS Felnin Celesten, OF Dom Canzone, SP Jurrangelo Cijntje, SP Emerson Hancock to the Diamondbacks for 2B/3B Ketel Marte, RHP Juan Morillo

Rationale: I think the Dbacks could use a combination of MLB-ready players and prospects in a return for Marte. Arizona has 2x top MI prospects in Lawler and Troy so I don't think they really need to target a direct replacement for Marte in a trade. Instead, they're horribly thin in the OF and an old friend in Dom Canzone could help out here. Cijntje gives them a stud starting pitching prospect that could be ready as soon as next year. Celesten gives them a top prospect to develop at SS and Hancock gives them a stop gap in their current rotation that has nothing in the farm to replenish it. Marte could slot in at 3B for the M's right away. He's one of the best hitters in baseball having won a Silver Slugger the last 2 years and averaging 5.3 bWAR the last 3 seasons despite missing some time with injuries. Morillo is an interesting arm - he averaged 99 MPH on his fastball last year and throws a wipe out slider that he's still working on controlling.

Roster:

1. Brendan Donovan 2B
2. Ketel Marte 3B
3. Cal Raleigh C
4. Julio Rodriguez CF
5. Josh Naylor 1B
6. Randy Arozarena LF
7. Luke Raley DH
8. Victor Robles RF
9. JP Crawford SS

Bench: Harry Ford C, Leo Rivas IF, Samad Taylor OF

Rotation:

1. Tarik Skubal
2. Bryan Woo
3. Logan Gilbert
4. George Kirby
5. Bryce Miller

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Gabe Speier, Eduard Bazardo
ML/LL: Carlos Vargas, Ty Madden, Juan Morillo

I'd prefer not to spend so much capital filling up 2 infield spots Especially if it means running Luke Raley out there at DH and a Robles in the outfield. Those guys are both part time players in my mind.

6 of our top 13 prospects are infielders and some of them are already knocking on the door. That's not even including Williamson and Young. Williamson was on pace for over 2 WAR if he had been allowed to play a whole. I think we can adequately fill at least one of those spots from within.

I think you could spend a lot less capital and have just as big of an impact by going after a corner outfielder and a legitimate hitter for DH.

[GL_Storm]

I mean, he's a 3-4 win player when healthy.

We are Mariner fans. We don't expect to be shopping in the jewelry section. Jerry buys us practical things.

Yeah, it's a reasonable idea. I just doubt it will happen. I think it's Cole Young at 2B and probably Williamson at 3B, or Suarez on a 1 year deal. If Suarez doesn't sign, maybe at that point they'll look at other options.

Geno is predicted to get a 3 year $72M deal. He hit 49 HRs last season. Teams will discount his two months hitting primarily at T Mobile. Zero chance he takes a one year deal especially hitting at T Mobile again. This is his last chance to get a good contract.

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Obviously he'd like that. We'll see how it goes. Free Agency so far hasn't really started moving so we don't know yet how much team are spending. My guess is that the loss of TV money will keep spending down but I could be wrong.

[Optimistic M's Fan]

Absolutely no way that I'm gutting this farm systems upcoming pitching for a short-term jolt. Skubal would be gone at the end of the year, and we are stripped bare, with no reinforcements in sight. For me, Sloan, Kade, Emerson and Farmelo are all off limits. Everyone else is fair game in a trade. And I'm not trading any of our 8 in the top 100 for a rental. I want minimum 2 years control. We have plenty of great prospects that would still net us solid if not spectacular players without touching our future core. I'm fine packaging Cole Young for someone like Marte and Donavan. 3rd I'm leaving to Williamson. With what we have in payroll left we should be able to trade for Donavan and either trade for Yandy or re-sign Polanco. Thats it. We don't need to gut everything.

[D-train]

Absolutely no way that I'm gutting this farm systems upcoming pitching for a short-term jolt. Skubal would be gone at the end of the year, and we are stripped bare, with no reinforcements in sight. For me, Sloan, Kade, Emerson and Farmelo are all off limits. Everyone else is fair game in a trade. And I'm not trading any of our 8 in the top 100 for a rental. I want minimum 2 years control. We have plenty of great prospects that would still net us solid if not spectacular players without touching our future core. I'm fine packaging Cole Young for someone like Marte and Donavan. 3rd I'm leaving to Williamson. With what we have in payroll left we should be able to trade for Donavan and either trade for Yandy or re-sign Polanco. Thats it. We don't need to gut everything.

Because he is a one year rental you obviously would not have to gut the farm. You can just trade Kirby for him and then replace him with Kade or JC in 2027. You would also get a comp pick after you offer him a QO.

[Seattle or Bust]

Absolutely no way that I'm gutting this farm systems upcoming pitching for a short-term jolt. Skubal would be gone at the end of the year, and we are stripped bare, with no reinforcements in sight. For me, Sloan, Kade, Emerson and Farmelo are all off limits. Everyone else is fair game in a trade. And I'm not trading any of our 8 in the top 100 for a rental. I want minimum 2 years control. We have plenty of great prospects that would still net us solid if not spectacular players without touching our future core. I'm fine packaging Cole Young for someone like Marte and Donavan. 3rd I'm leaving to Williamson. With what we have in payroll left we should be able to trade for Donavan and either trade for Yandy or re-sign Polanco. Thats it. We don't need to gut everything.

While I understand the sentiment... I'm not really sure why you think trading a few players from the top 10 would "gut the farm." You can't gut the farm if you're good at replenishing it.

Since 2016, the M's have had a number of winning seasons which means that they have routinely drafted 15 or later in most of the drafts for the last decade, with '25 being pure luck to draft 3rd.

The M's drafted Kirby, Gilbert, Young, Emerson, Farmelo, Cijntje all with the 14th pick or later. Multiple players were taken outside the first round who turned into top-100 players - Miller, Woo, Evans, Locklear, Cal.... They've also been able to sign some really good international talent and have an eye for that - clearly.

Either you believe in the M's ability to draft and develop players well or you don't. If you do you believe in their ability to do that, trading players from their farm for real MLB talent... like the Dodgers do... should be no issue.

I agree, I don't want to do it for one year of Skubal... including trading a pitcher with control like Kirby.

Would I do it if they could land a Mackenzie Gore if they offload Castillo? Hell yes.

[Donn Beach]

With a division winning team and a top ranked farm seems to me the mariners have created a glut of prospects. I wouldn't think its so much if you should trade them but how you should trade them. Skubal depending on the cost could make sense. A skubal trade really turns on the tigers, I don't believe they will be interested in trading him to begin with.

[Seattle or Bust]

With a division winning team and a top ranked farm seems to me the mariners have created a glut of prospects. I wouldn't think its so much if you should trade them but how you should trade them. Skubal depending on the cost could make sense. A skubal trade really turns on the tigers, I don't believe they will be interested in trading him to begin with.

Apparently part of Naylor's re-signing with the M's was discussing the M's top prospects and their plan for who/when they're going to implement them.

I doubt the M's FO would make Naylor privy to trade info... but I'm not sure how you don't at least hint at trade plans if the discussion actually took place.

[Donn Beach]

With a division winning team and a top ranked farm seems to me the mariners have created a glut of prospects. I wouldn't think its so much if you should trade them but how you should trade them. Skubal depending on the cost could make sense. A skubal trade really turns on the tigers, I don't believe they will be interested in trading him to begin with.

Apparently part of Naylor's re-signing with the M's was discussing the M's top prospects and their plan for who/when they're going to implement them.

I doubt the M's FO would make Naylor privy to trade info... but I'm not sure how you don't at least hint at trade plans if the discussion actually took place.

Yeah, it's funny really. I mean it's fun to come up with ideas for them but it seems to me if you actually listen to what they say they lay out exactly what they intend to do this off season. I don't think I've ever known it to be so clear. Sign naylor, sign polanco, play Williamson, young and colt. Oh and find another reliever. Did I miss anything?

[Seattle or Bust]

With a division winning team and a top ranked farm seems to me the mariners have created a glut of prospects. I wouldn't think its so much if you should trade them but how you should trade them. Skubal depending on the cost could make sense. A skubal trade really turns on the tigers, I don't believe they will be interested in trading him to begin with.

Apparently part of Naylor's re-signing with the M's was discussing the M's top prospects and their plan for who/when they're going to implement them.

I doubt the M's FO would make Naylor privy to trade info... but I'm not sure how you don't at least hint at trade plans if the discussion actually took place.

Yeah, it's funny really. I mean it's fun to come up with ideas for them but it seems to me if you actually listen to what they say they lay out exactly what they intend to do this off season. I don't think I've ever known it to be so clear. Sign naylor, sign polanco, play Williamson, young and colt. Oh and find another reliever. Did I miss anything?

They said they want to bring Geno back and they've checked in with STL on Donovan. I wouldn't be so sure.

[D-train]

With a division winning team and a top ranked farm seems to me the mariners have created a glut of prospects. I wouldn't think its so much if you should trade them but how you should trade them. Skubal depending on the cost could make sense. A skubal trade really turns on the tigers, I don't believe they will be interested in trading him to begin with.

Apparently part of Naylor's re-signing with the M's was discussing the M's top prospects and their plan for who/when they're going to implement them.

I doubt the M's FO would make Naylor privy to trade info... but I'm not sure how you don't at least hint at trade plans if the discussion actually took place.

Yeah, it's funny really. I mean it's fun to come up with ideas for them but it seems to me if you actually listen to what they say they lay out exactly what they intend to do this off season. I don't think I've ever known it to be so clear. Sign naylor, sign polanco, play Williamson, young and colt. Oh and find another reliever. Did I miss anything?

Listen to what the say??????????????? fuck you BRUCE fuck the fuck out of you you mother fucker. Die in hell bitch. Everyone thought you were a nerdy bitch but I stood up for you. Fuck off.