A plan for the 3x trade favorites 3.0

[D-train]

I look at it as not so much being cheap as they really trust their scouts & player development people. Look their either gonna light the world on fire or crap on themselves. Nothing is a sure thing. Would you rather spend 100s of millions & have the guy bust & be on the hook for all that with no ability to rid yourself of the contracts or go with the youngsters with more low risk high upside. It's only gonna go one of 2 ways. It worked with Julio & Cal it can work with others. Will all hit, no. That's the beauty of baseball. Glass half full mentality here folks.

I can't agree more. Paying for superstars doesn't always pan out. Ask the Angels how it worked out having Shohei, Trout and Rendon, followed by a ton of scrubs. We already have enough superstars. We aren't rolling out a 250 mil payroll, whether we can afford it or not. I'd much rather make a medium sized trade for someone like Donavan that could take 2nd or 3rd and use either young or williamson in the other position. Get Yandy or Polanco for DH and call it a day. I'd love a team of superstars, but it isn't happening. What we need is to be well rounded and have flexibility at the deadline to add where we need to. We have the payroll space to do that. We still keep 90% of our farm to keep adding to the roster with minimum salaries and the ability to keep staying in this. Look at Texas, Arizona, all these teams that went all out and now are in a straight teardown with bloated contracts. I want to win a world series as much as anyone, but I also would like to be competitive year in and year out. Not good for 1-2 years and a then a 5 year rebuild again.

Wow, you must Jerry's favorite fan. lol If we would have traded for Naylor last off season instead of rolling with Tellez and Solano at 1st place we would have easily won the Division and would likely have had HFA in the ALCS and a good chance we would have got to the WS. Wasting 4 months before you patch holes is a really bad idea.

Do you know how many life long die hard fans die every year without ever seeing their team in the WS??? I have had four hard core M's fans die. How many have you had? The slow play BS is all fine and dandy until that happens.

Arizona lucked into the WS with barely over a .500 record and then won 89 games the following season. Seems competitive to me. Texas has a WS ring which is the ultimate goal. Then had two seasons being about .500. I bet 99.9% of their fans would take that vs. our making the playoffs once like we did in that same time frame. They did the same but throw in a WS title.

btw the rebuild last TWO seasons not five and if Jerry would have done more than nothing before the 2021 season after finishing 2020 20-14 we likely would have made the playoffs that season.

[Optimistic M's Fan]

Lol I wouldn't say I'm Jerry's biggest fan but I'm not his biggest hater like a lot of people on here either. I'm 46. Grew up in WA, followed the M's my whole life. Hell, I even got Griffey's Bellingham and San Bernadino minor league cards when I was a kid. I get a lot of people haven't seen the team win a WS before passing as my dad is one of those people, so I get it. The playoffs are a crapshoot where anyone can win a series or two in the right situation. I'd rather we consistently be good year in and year out if we aren't every going to go crazy with our payroll... which we never will. The fun things we do on here are also a bit shitty at the same time. Everyone on here respects you DT, but if you were all of a sudden given the keys to the kingdom, I'd wager you'd also have your fair share of fuck ups as well... which would then happily be shit on by the majority of people here on the forum. Nobody gets it right all the time. You'd trade nobodys that blossom into superstars. You'd trade for superstars that suddenly can't hit for shit. And in turn, you'd get shit on nonstop by everyone on here. I think a GM or manager is always damned if you do, damned if you dont, and thats why they get the big bucks. But I don't think anyone of us on here would do any better given the payroll restrictions etc that comes with the job. I love that we all have our opinions on what is best. The saying is true... opinions are like assholes. I just think the nonstop shitting on Jerry when he has done at least an average job, if not better than average is harsh. I want our team to win the WS too. And I DO wish we would take a few more risks to try and get over that last hump to the promise land. But the laughable trades on here of like 4 of our top 5 prospect for 1 year of Skubal who will then immediately fuck off to New York or LA leaving us high and dry with nothing to show for it most likely is a bit ridiculous. I want sustainable wins with calculated risks. Not gutting everything for one shot.

[D-train]

I meant that you are Jerry's favorite fan. Lol literally nobody is suggesting gutting the farm. People have suggested trading for Duran and Donovan and other guys with multiple years of control and reasonable salaries. Trading for Skubal is really the only one that is a go for it move that has been brought up here because he would instantly make us World Series favorites

[Seattle or Bust]

Bro, let's start with this: I know way more about this game than you do, and I even still play it at a top level.

We might well acquire Donovan, but the package is going to look at LOT different. The other two aren't going to happen. Okay, they're possible, but only ever so slightly.

You don't know way more about the game than me.

What you know is "ME SEE BASEBALL, ME HIT BASEBALL, WHY NOT BASEBALL GO OVER FENCE? ME ANGRY NOW. ME CLAIM OTHER TEAM CHEATING SO I HIT THEM WITH BASEBALL OR MY FIST."

You have never made a singular post that hints that you know more about baseball than me. Certainly not a post that indicates you know more about trade compensation. I literally predicted accurate trade comp for both Naylor and Geno at the deadline this year.

As I've said multiple times to you, these "plans" are not meant to be realistic. They're meant to spark conversation on a sports forum that allows multiple people to chime in about potential players available and the compensation it might take to acquire them. I don't know how to make that any more clear than I have to you.

You just don't know how to think like that... instead you make a moronic post replying to my thread like you just did. Be an adult, put some effort in, and you tell me what it would take to acquire Donovan in your opinion. That is how these places work unless you want to be the village neanderthal who sometimes chimes in with "MARINERS WIN!!! WE'RE HEROES!!!"

Curious. What were your proposals for Geno? For Naylor? I'm curious to see what they look like.

I disagree with your Castillo trade offer. The whole point of Detroit trying to trade Skubal is because they won't be able to afford to re-sign him. Which makes me scratch my head as to why they would take on an albatross contract like Castillo's? It would make more sense for them to target a cheaper better option in Miller or Woo.

This was the exact trade for Josh Naylor whose value was very comparable to Geno's.



In the actual trade for Geno, they sent Locklear, Juan Burgos, and Hunter Cranton.

A lot of people told me I would be way wrong. That Geno was going to take multiple top-10 prospects... I said all along it would take a player like Locklear and a couple 10-20 prospects. I was exactly right.

I'd say I did pretty fkn good... so DavidGee can stfu already.

[Hy Feiber]

Can’t we all get along, Island Iced Tea?

[Seattle or Bust]

Can’t we all get along, Island Iced Tea?

Not sure.

I made a thread that is supposed to be fun.

Sir Steroid Rage came in and decided to be a dick in about .5 seconds.

[Pharmabro]

Yeah, it's a reasonable idea. I just doubt it will happen. I think it's Cole Young at 2B and probably Williamson at 3B, or Suarez on a 1 year deal. If Suarez doesn't sign, maybe at that point they'll look at other options.

I can about guarantee that throwing the rookies out there and seeing who sticks is not their plan. They have hinted that Polo is next and maybe Geno after that. But that’s where these trades come in Donavan is an option, D-Backs vets are options, we have the farm to get premium parts.

Listen all these plans are long shots. What does Detroit want? How do they value any of our prospects, young pitching, and with Luis vet pitching.

What is your basis for that? To me, it seems pretty obvious that the plan is to start Cole Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B. If they can sign Suarez, then he'll start at 3B and Williamson will either be on the bench or in Tacoma playing every day. But they probably know that Suarez is more likely to sign with another team.

All of that said, I'm sure they'll keep an open mind for situations that could give them an unexpected upgrade, like maybe one of the Japanese players, or a trade that comes up at the winter meetings. The winter meetings in particular could be really interesting.

Because Hollander and JD have put their plans out there to multiple media outlets. They said they would like to re-up with at least 2 of their guys from last year, add to the BP( they were in the finals for Jhoan Duran at the deadline)


And they need to, Other than the top 4 Randy, Cal, Julio, and Josh they don’t have anybody you can put as a top or middle of the batting order guy. JP as your #9 hitter looks great as your #5? Not so much.

The rest of the guys have flashed, but you can’t count on Raley bouncing back to 2024. I know he got injured and then lost playing time and slumped. What is to stop him from doing that again?
Robles was an MVP in the 2nd 1/2 for us in 2024, in 25 injuries, missed time late start.
Canzone went off for a 140 OPS+ but can he follow up?
Young, Rivas, Ben, Bliss, have all proven Jack shit fk all in MLB.

We can’t start thee year with 1/2 a lineup of ST AAAA players trotting out garbage lineups.


I know this, JD knows this, you know this.

[GL_Storm]

I can about guarantee that throwing the rookies out there and seeing who sticks is not their plan. They have hinted that Polo is next and maybe Geno after that. But that’s where these trades come in Donavan is an option, D-Backs vets are options, we have the farm to get premium parts.

Listen all these plans are long shots. What does Detroit want? How do they value any of our prospects, young pitching, and with Luis vet pitching.

What is your basis for that? To me, it seems pretty obvious that the plan is to start Cole Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B. If they can sign Suarez, then he'll start at 3B and Williamson will either be on the bench or in Tacoma playing every day. But they probably know that Suarez is more likely to sign with another team.

All of that said, I'm sure they'll keep an open mind for situations that could give them an unexpected upgrade, like maybe one of the Japanese players, or a trade that comes up at the winter meetings. The winter meetings in particular could be really interesting.

Because Hollander and JD have put their plans out there to multiple media outlets. They said they would like to re-up with at least 2 of their guys from last year, add to the BP( they were in the finals for Jhoan Duran at the deadline)


And they need to, Other than the top 4 Randy, Cal, Julio, and Josh they don’t have anybody you can put as a top or middle of the batting order guy. JP as your #9 hitter looks great as your #5? Not so much.

The rest of the guys have flashed, but you can’t count on Raley bouncing back to 2024. I know he got injured and then lost playing time and slumped. What is to stop him from doing that again?
Robles was an MVP in the 2nd 1/2 for us in 2024, in 25 injuries, missed time late start.
Canzone went off for a 140 OPS+ but can he follow up?
Young, Rivas, Ben, Bliss, have all proven Jack shit fk all in MLB.

We can’t start thee year with 1/2 a lineup of ST AAAA players trotting out garbage lineups.


I know this, JD knows this, you know this.

The 2 other guys are Naylor and Polanco, and I'm sure they would like to upgrade the bullpen.

Everything else is just your opinion and not at all consistent with how they operate. It's extremely clear that the baseline plan is Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B.

Here are your most likely opening day starters:

C: Cal Raleigh
1B: Josh Naylor
2B: Cole Young
SS: JP Crawford
3B: Ben Williamson
RF: Dom Canzone
CF: Julio Rodriguez
LF: Randy Arozarena
DH: Jorge Polanco

Of course, if an upgrade falls into their lap, especially at 3B, then sure, I would expect them to try and do that. Or, if Polanco doesn't sign, then something could happen there. But this is probably it.

One possible wild card is the winter meetings. Other teams making moves could have ripple effects that affect the Mariners.

[D-train]

What is your basis for that? To me, it seems pretty obvious that the plan is to start Cole Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B. If they can sign Suarez, then he'll start at 3B and Williamson will either be on the bench or in Tacoma playing every day. But they probably know that Suarez is more likely to sign with another team.

All of that said, I'm sure they'll keep an open mind for situations that could give them an unexpected upgrade, like maybe one of the Japanese players, or a trade that comes up at the winter meetings. The winter meetings in particular could be really interesting.

Because Hollander and JD have put their plans out there to multiple media outlets. They said they would like to re-up with at least 2 of their guys from last year, add to the BP( they were in the finals for Jhoan Duran at the deadline)


And they need to, Other than the top 4 Randy, Cal, Julio, and Josh they don’t have anybody you can put as a top or middle of the batting order guy. JP as your #9 hitter looks great as your #5? Not so much.

The rest of the guys have flashed, but you can’t count on Raley bouncing back to 2024. I know he got injured and then lost playing time and slumped. What is to stop him from doing that again?
Robles was an MVP in the 2nd 1/2 for us in 2024, in 25 injuries, missed time late start.
Canzone went off for a 140 OPS+ but can he follow up?
Young, Rivas, Ben, Bliss, have all proven Jack shit fk all in MLB.

We can’t start thee year with 1/2 a lineup of ST AAAA players trotting out garbage lineups.


I know this, JD knows this, you know this.

The 2 other guys are Naylor and Polanco, and I'm sure they would like to upgrade the bullpen.

Everything else is just your opinion and not at all consistent with how they operate. It's extremely clear that the baseline plan is Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B.

Here are your most likely opening day starters:

C: Cal Raleigh
1B: Josh Naylor
2B: Cole Young
SS: JP Crawford
3B: Ben Williamson
RF: Dom Canzone
CF: Julio Rodriguez
LF: Randy Arozarena
DH: Jorge Polanco

Of course, if an upgrade falls into their lap, especially at 3B, then sure, I would expect them to try and do that. Or, if Polanco doesn't sign, then something could happen there. But this is probably it.

One possible wild card is the winter meetings. Other teams making moves could have ripple effects that affect the Mariners.

Yep I agree with all that except I predict Polo signs with the highest bidder which won't be us. He would have signed by now if he was coming back imo.

[GL_Storm]

Because Hollander and JD have put their plans out there to multiple media outlets. They said they would like to re-up with at least 2 of their guys from last year, add to the BP( they were in the finals for Jhoan Duran at the deadline)


And they need to, Other than the top 4 Randy, Cal, Julio, and Josh they don’t have anybody you can put as a top or middle of the batting order guy. JP as your #9 hitter looks great as your #5? Not so much.

The rest of the guys have flashed, but you can’t count on Raley bouncing back to 2024. I know he got injured and then lost playing time and slumped. What is to stop him from doing that again?
Robles was an MVP in the 2nd 1/2 for us in 2024, in 25 injuries, missed time late start.
Canzone went off for a 140 OPS+ but can he follow up?
Young, Rivas, Ben, Bliss, have all proven Jack shit fk all in MLB.

We can’t start thee year with 1/2 a lineup of ST AAAA players trotting out garbage lineups.


I know this, JD knows this, you know this.

The 2 other guys are Naylor and Polanco, and I'm sure they would like to upgrade the bullpen.

Everything else is just your opinion and not at all consistent with how they operate. It's extremely clear that the baseline plan is Young at 2B and Williamson at 3B.

Here are your most likely opening day starters:

C: Cal Raleigh
1B: Josh Naylor
2B: Cole Young
SS: JP Crawford
3B: Ben Williamson
RF: Dom Canzone
CF: Julio Rodriguez
LF: Randy Arozarena
DH: Jorge Polanco

Of course, if an upgrade falls into their lap, especially at 3B, then sure, I would expect them to try and do that. Or, if Polanco doesn't sign, then something could happen there. But this is probably it.

One possible wild card is the winter meetings. Other teams making moves could have ripple effects that affect the Mariners.

Yep I agree with all that except I predict Polo signs with the highest bidder which won't be us. He would have signed by now if he was coming back imo.

Yeah, but it's striking how few free agents have signed. Polanco may not have much of a market.