The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

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The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by D-train » Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:17 pm

Surprise Surprise:

1. Sorry Donn Beach, you lose your bet that they trade Castillo. They aren't shopping him and are going to leave the rotation in tact as is..
2. They are going to either resign Polanco OR trade for Donovan. No Skubal, Tucker, Marte, Buxton or Bichette. I know, shocking right?
3. Based on his piece from earlier this week they would like to a reliever or two. Yee Haw!
By Adam Jude
Seattle Times staff reporter
Trade rumors circling Detroit Tigers ace Tarik Skubal, the Seattle U Hall of Famer and two-time reigning American League Cy Young Award winner, could escalate over the next few days at the MLB Winter Meetings in Orlando, Fla.

Skubal will be a free agent a year from now, and he could be in line for the largest contract ever for a pitcher.

Because of that, some have suggested the Tigers would be wise to trade him this winter for a sizable package of prospects or risk losing him in free agency to the Los Angeles Dodgers or New York Mets or another mega-wealthy club next winter.

It’s not entirely clear what the Tigers will do, but the industry consensus seems to be that it’s unlikely they would actually trade him this winter.

Even if he was on the trade block, it’s even unlikelier that the Mariners would be willing to stomach the sort of package it would take to bring Skubal back to Seattle.

Detroit Tigers pitcher Tarik Skubal pitches against the Seattle Mariners in Game 2 of the American League Division Series on Sunday, Oct. 5, 2025, at T-Mobile Park, in Seattle. (Dean Rutz/The Seattle Times)
After dispatching Detroit in the AL Division Series, and then taking the Toronto Blue Jays to seven games in the AL Championship Series, the Mariners front office has been steadfast in its primary aim for 2026: Let’s run it back.

Their biggest transaction of the offseason — re-signing first baseman Josh Naylor for $92.5 million over five years — was a dramatic statement of those intentions.

The Mariners would also like to re-sign free agent Jorge Polanco to effectively recreate the majority of the lineup that led them deeper into October than they’ve ever been as a franchise.

What’s more, the Mariners remain confident in their starting rotation and are expected to bring back their five established starters — Bryan Woo, Logan Gilbert, Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Bryce Miller — intact for 2026.

Like Skubal now, Castillo was the subject of intense trade speculation at the Winter Meetings a year ago.

The Mariners engaged in talks with multiple teams at the time but never consummated a deal, and Castillo came back with a typically productive season for the Mariners in 2025.

This winter, the Mariners do not intend to shop Castillo on the trade market, sources with knowledge of the team’s plans told The Times.

Castillo, who turns 33 on Dec. 12, was the only Seattle pitcher to make every start in 2025. He posted a 3.54 ERA — right in line with his career ERA of 3.55 — and threw 180-plus innings, topping 175 innings for the third year in a row.

He was an especially valuable and steadying presence early in the season when Kirby, Gilbert and Miller were out with injuries. As the Mariners’ highest-paid player, Castillo has two years remaining on a $108-million deal he signed in 2022, set to earn about $24 million over the next two season — fair-market value for a veteran pitcher of his caliber.

The past few years, the general industry perception was the Mariners would eventually have to trade from their strength — starting pitching depth — to shore up persistent holes in their lineup.

That never materialized, and it does not appear it will this winter, either.

In this era of Mariners baseball, the roster has largely been constructed on a run-prevention operation, a style that suits playing half of their games at the pitcher-friendly T-Mobile Park.

The Mariners will continue to lean on that for 2026, and beyond, though the return of Naylor means the M’s can reasonably expect to have one of the AL’s best lineups next season, with a current top four of Cal Raleigh, Julio Rodriguez, Randy Arozarena and Naylor, in some order.

The Mariners want to add one more proven bat this winter, whether that’s re-signing Polanco or trading for a veteran such as St. Louis’ Brendan Donovan.

After the July trade-deadline additions of Naylor and Eugenio Suárez, the Mariners ranked third in the AL in scoring (5.15 runs per game), second in homers (84) and tied with Toronto with the second-best wRC+ (117) over the final two months. (Only the Yankees, at 121, had a better wRC+, an advanced metric that .)

After a historically great season from their starters in 2024, the Mariners staff took a step back in ’25, largely because of injuries to three of the five main starters.

Just as all five were healthy again for the final month of the season, Woo was lost for a month — deep into the playoffs — with a pectoral strain.

Woo was one of the sport’s breakthrough stars this year, going 15-7 with a 2.94 ERA, earning his first All-Star selection and the leading Seattle pitchers in innings pitched (186.2) and bWAR (4.2). He finished fifth in the AL Cy Young voting.

For 2026, the Mariners are again envisioning a starting five that, when healthy, is as talented and as deep as any staff in the majors, and subtracting from that strength is not part of their current plan this offseason.
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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by GL_Storm » Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:54 pm

This is basically what I've been saying they would do. It's still possible something wild happens at the Winter meetings, but so far this has been one of the quietest offseasons in recent memory.

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by D-train » Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:58 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:54 pm
This is basically what I've been saying they would do. It's still possible something wild happens at the Winter meetings, but so far this has been one of the quietest offseasons in recent memory.
It is already louder than last season when the signed Polo to a 1 year $6M deal, signed Solano and traded for Shenton but yes will be very quiet until ST.
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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by GL_Storm » Fri Dec 05, 2025 10:50 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:58 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Fri Dec 05, 2025 9:54 pm
This is basically what I've been saying they would do. It's still possible something wild happens at the Winter meetings, but so far this has been one of the quietest offseasons in recent memory.
It is already louder than last season when the signed Polo to a 1 year $6M deal, signed Solano and traded for Shenton but yes will be very quiet until ST.
Actually, I meant it's been quiet for MLB as a whole. There just isn't a lot happening, which I think lowers the odds of something wild coming out of the winter meetings that affects the Mariners.

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:10 pm

A continually pathetic organization.

The sign Polanco OR trade for Donovan and that being it is so beyond fucking pathetic.

It's obvious that forever moving forward they will be hoping to be in it at the AS break and acquire rentals to augment the roster. They never hope to dominant. Just good enough to sell seats.

PATHETIC.

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by Lamda » Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:45 pm

Sadly its exactly what we all thought. Well Young , Emerson , and Williamson better deliver or this will be a disappointing season. Not surprising - that old Fuck Stanton has no intention of winning a WS.

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sat Dec 06, 2025 1:34 am

Maybe the problem is that all the guys who posted off-season plans here didn't bother forwarding them to the Mariners front office so that Jerry 'n' Justin would know what ta do... :lol:

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by D-train » Sat Dec 06, 2025 2:57 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sat Dec 06, 2025 1:34 am
Maybe the problem is that all the guys who posted off-season plans here didn't bother forwarding them to the Mariners front office so that Jerry 'n' Justin would know what ta do... :lol:
I sent mine but it got returned. I guess JerrylicksStantonsballs@Mariners.com is a bad address.
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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:07 am

Lamda wrote:
Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:45 pm
Sadly its exactly what we all thought. Well Young , Emerson , and Williamson better deliver or this will be a disappointing season. Not surprising - that old Fuck Stanton has no intention of winning a WS.
I am not shocked. But who is the one or 2 BP guys? Tyler Rogers has been a dominant change of pace submariner 148 ERA+ career. But mid 80’s FB. I have posited on other threads that combo of age and FB velocity could hold his market down to where we could pay full MLBTR guesstimate and still be able to trade for another. Now Rogers is not Duran-Munoz level but he would be projected top join the group of( Brash 154, Buzzardo 150, and Speier 145) level of quality.

I really don’t see how they could be limited to either Polo or Donavan? :roll: That is just dumb. Marte has emerged as the best 2B in baseball over the past couple of seasons. But yes I am OK with going into to next season with one of 2B/3B being assigned to one of: (Bliss, Colt, Ben, Young, Rivas).

On paper if: you get good performance from Randy and JRod which should be expected if not injured then you have 3 solid enough options at RF 1 of ( Robles, Dom, and Luke) is a pretty good bet.


DH is probably mainly Luke but he would be the 1’ BU at OF, and 1B. Cal should probably be projected for 30+/- there as well. I’d like to see Harry taking a lot of reps at 3B. I saw him play last year and he has quick reaction and a big arm and the range to play it.

And I am a little supportive of going into the season with a plane of upgrading weak areas at the deadline. I mean 2B has a big field of competition.
Rivas played to a 113 OPS+ in 48 games for you last year
Young Top 100 he was top 3 on most lists at 1 point
Colt #1 on most M’s lists now top 100
Bliss was a 2nd Rd pick He had a 101 OPS+ for you in 2024 @ MLB, And in 2023 AA/AAA .304 .378 .524 .902 with 55 SB, 34 doubles, 8 triples, 23 HR inn just 128 games.

I will hold judgement based on who they get for the lineup, and who are the one to 2 adds for the BP.

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Re: The latest from Adam Jude: They are just going to run it back

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sat Dec 06, 2025 4:29 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:10 pm
A continually pathetic organization.

The sign Polanco OR trade for Donovan and that being it is so beyond fucking pathetic.

It's obvious that forever moving forward they will be hoping to be in it at the AS break and acquire rentals to augment the roster. They never hope to dominant. Just good enough to sell seats.

PATHETIC.
I said the same thing last offseason, and look what they did. Have patience young Padawan. Moves during the season can be made O Ye of Little Faith.

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