The most wonderful time of the year. MOCK DRAFT SIM THREAD.

[Donn Beach]

You don't have to have gaudy stats to 'take the top off opposing defenses'. You simply have to have the threat of doing that, and Shaheed does that 100%. Sam threw deeps balls quite a bit to him. Did they always connect? No, but the threat of that opens everything else up.

This! Again, JSN was open all year long. Some of that can be attributed to Shaheed. A run first team with a deep threat. Could Horton do that? Sure, if he ever puts on a uniform and actually takes the field. I'm not holding my breath for that. That dude reminds me of Paul Richardson.

Yeah, I posted this earlier, Kupp explaining it. Shaheed doesn't have to catch a pass to alter a game, he just has to be on the field.

.I think you saw early on there, we had a play to Jax where, you know, that safety backside from Rashid, he knows there's a post alert, anytime that Rashid's on the field, there's a chance that you could be taking the top off. I think you're going to see that it's a dangerous thing

[Michael K.]

Yeah, I posted this earlier, Kupp explaining it. Shaheed doesn't have to catch a pass to alter a game, he just has to be on the field.

.I think you saw early on there, we had a play to Jax where, you know, that safety backside from Rashid, he knows there's a post alert, anytime that Rashid's on the field, there's a chance that you could be taking the top off. I think you're going to see that it's a dangerous thing

Yeah, it's really not a novel concept. Calling a trade a poor one when the team went 10 and 1, with the one loss being very flukey, AND wont he Super Bowl? Very odd to me.

Why are we arguing over re-signing a core member of the team on a thread about a Mock Draft?

Well, it came up, and is probably relevant since how the team drafts will most likely be impacted by who they sign and re-sign.

Shaheed may very well fall outside of the price range we want to pay....but to call it

a failure acquisition

? That, again, fucking baffles me. The ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl, and they did. I'd say pretty much nothing they did was a failure.

[Donn Beach]

It impacts the draft, I really don't like to argue but I do like to drill into stuff. It was an interesting discussion. I'm a lot less convinced now he gets re-signed actually. It was interesting to me that none of the in season trades he was compared to were re-signed. I could see him going the Raiders or the Rams at this point

[HawkandMariner88]

Kupp needs to retire, Horton is injury prone why the F would you not bring him back he's not a #1 for sure. He knows what his worth is to this team.

[Donn Beach]

Here's the rookie classes ranked, Chicago first, Cleveland second, Seattle third. What I find interesting is Denver twenty-three. Payton has been saddled with the RW contact, his draft wasn't that great and yet he rolls out the number one seed.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-rep ... witter_atn

[D-train]

It would be ridiculous to spend $15M a year on him.

It was a bad acquisition given his lack of production at wideout.

I am 100% sure they did not trade for him expecting that he'd average 1.5 receptions and 22 yards receiving per game with 0 TD's.

Who knows how much he is going to get paid, and frankly? Who cares. They just performed a master class in cap spending with Geno, DK and Lockett still on the books!

So, he made a huge impact as a Kick Returner, and once again, it's a bad move because he is behind the best WR in the league, Cooper Kupp, AJ Barner and even the backs in the pecking order at WR? I don't think they even brought him in for his offense as much as his special teams. Listen to Harbaugh talk about the opening kickoff return for a TD against the Niners.

Again, we lose to the Fucking Rams in the regular season without him. In that game he had one fucking target. But? A 31 yard run on the game tieing drive and scored the punt return TD to cut the lead to one score. Sorry. Good trade simply because of that.

Complaining about that move is like complaining because some prospect that is in the MLB Top 100 was included in a trade for an actual MLB ready player. I don't understand it. It didn't cripple the draft, not in any way shape or form. But? It got us HFA in the playoffs, and he set the ton in our first playoff game. Fucking good trade.

Bro, nobody is complaining about the move. Who is doing that?

I'm simply saying the move didn't work out given expectations I'm sure they had for him at wideout. Me saying it didn't work out is not "complaining." I understand the move, thought the draft capital was appropriate, but do not see the production to call it a success.

Great they won the SB, and glad he had some nice kick returns that helped... but a better wideout could have made some of those KR's not necessary. A better passing offense could have led to a more dominant team. Shaheed didn't help there and his primary responsibility is being a wideout.

[Donn Beach]

I think you're making too much of the number of catches. They weren't going to be throwing a lot to another receiver no matter who they might have used there.

Here's a look at what he brought to the seahawks. For a failed trade he getting a lot of attention

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/h ... super-bowl

[auroraave]

Who knows how much he is going to get paid, and frankly? Who cares. They just performed a master class in cap spending with Geno, DK and Lockett still on the books!

So, he made a huge impact as a Kick Returner, and once again, it's a bad move because he is behind the best WR in the league, Cooper Kupp, AJ Barner and even the backs in the pecking order at WR? I don't think they even brought him in for his offense as much as his special teams. Listen to Harbaugh talk about the opening kickoff return for a TD against the Niners.

Again, we lose to the Fucking Rams in the regular season without him. In that game he had one fucking target. But? A 31 yard run on the game tieing drive and scored the punt return TD to cut the lead to one score. Sorry. Good trade simply because of that.

Complaining about that move is like complaining because some prospect that is in the MLB Top 100 was included in a trade for an actual MLB ready player. I don't understand it. It didn't cripple the draft, not in any way shape or form. But? It got us HFA in the playoffs, and he set the ton in our first playoff game. Fucking good trade.

Bro, nobody is complaining about the move. Who is doing that?

I'm simply saying the move didn't work out given expectations I'm sure they had for him at wideout. Me saying it didn't work out is not "complaining." I understand the move, thought the draft capital was appropriate, but do not see the production to call it a success.

Great they won the SB, and glad he had some nice kick returns that helped... but a better wideout could have made some of those KR's not necessary. A better passing offense could have led to a more dominant team. Shaheed didn't help there and his primary responsibility is being a wideout.

I'd like to see it closer to 12 - I like SHaheed a lot - don't think he was used to his potential - but also has the ability to move defenses around to create openings for others. Horton is an injury waiting to happen - need to prepare for that.

Who would you rather have, Walker or Shaheed? I think we can have both, but need to lock Walker down for three years. Not sure I like Shaheed at $14 million, unless we take more advantage of him. Surprised we didn't use him more out of the back field, on screens, jet sweeps, etc. I think Walker signing is imminent. I can see another team over paying shaheed

[trharder]

Why are we arguing over re-signing a core member of the team on a thread about a Mock Draft?

I was gonna say, I wish someone would have made a separate thread for FA and Cap.

[Seattle or Bust]

Why are we arguing over re-signing a core member of the team on a thread about a Mock Draft?

I was gonna say, I wish someone would have made a separate thread for FA and Cap.

It's because I have the Hawks drafting a WR first overall and as a major need. I think Horton can fill a similar role as Shaheed for much cheaper. That's why it was brought up.