Postmortem - Hawks v Chardonnay Nation

[Donn Beach]

Actually trying to please Michael, he doesn't seem to feel there is enough accountability. It would need to come from the owner wouldn't it

Last time I checked, Jody was the owner. She's the one who signed JS, and he's the one who hired MM. They're all accountable to her.

In terms of selling the team, does anyone know what the timeline is? And a new owner doesn't necessarily mean it will be better. Remember the Ken Behring years?

Yeah, that's my point, some here seem unhappy with it, if we need a GM with real accountably it would mean dealing with the owner doesn't it? And the current owner is in fact required to sell the team to a new owner, a pretty unusual aspect really. I view it somewhat like the Mariners. I kinda view that ownership group as custodians, they saved the team from being moved but get blamed by fans for not really being interested in an aggressive approach. In my mind Jody is very much a custodian, its basically her job title. I am not complaining about it but seems to me you have MM and JS now trying to create a post PC Seahawk culture. Why spend the next 3-4 years or whatever working on it with the reality of a new owner on the horizon to come in and want to apply their stamp to the organization anyway?

I keep getting criticized as a soft seattle fan that isn't willing to look behind the curtain at who is pulling the levers or whatever. OK, lets press Jody to fulfill her brother's wishes. What's the point? Well there was a lot of public pressure for her to sell the Blazers in Portland and lo and behold they got sold, so who knows. Terms of better or worse, that isn't the issue, the issue is it inevitable so lets get on with it. But I will say this, the era of the Ken behrings of the world owning ML sports teams is over. They are way too fucking expensive these days. It's more likely a cooperate sort of approach but even then, the Dodgers are owned by a consortium, they wheel and deal pretty effectively.

Terms of the timeline, she had commented on it taking 10-20 years, though estate lawyers have questioned 20 years. Like i said, what's the hold up? It's been characterized as estate lawyers establishing value, again where is the hard part. I think its the rapidly increasing value. Her fiduciary responsibility is to get as much value as possible for his estate so does that mean waiting to sell

[douche]

I think its the rapidly increasing value. Her fiduciary responsibility is to get as much value as possible for his estate so does that mean waiting to sell

Probably. But although she may be viewed as merely a 'custodian', I still believe that her goal is to make the team as successful as possible. Partly due to her brother's wishes, and partly due to increasing the value of the team.

[Donn Beach]

I think its the rapidly increasing value. Her fiduciary responsibility is to get as much value as possible for his estate so does that mean waiting to sell

Probably. But although she may be viewed as merely a 'custodian', I still believe that her goal is to make the team as successful as possible. Partly due to her brother's wishes, and partly due to increasing the value of the team.

Sure, and that's to hand the reins to JS, which again I am not against but some seem to feel his extension was unjustified without his actually earning it through performance. I am not privy to what the thinking was but it could be viewed as a fairly passive ownership approach

[Michael K.]

but some seem to feel his extension was unjustified without his actually earning it through performance. I am not privy to what the thinking was but it could be viewed as a fairly passive ownership approach

I am "some" that believe one playoff win in EIGHT years and one playoff appearance in the last four shouldn't earn five more years. Call me crazy.

[auroraave]

Here's a fun little walk down memory lane - how it all started this season. From an opening day loss - to a team that went 14-1 down the stretch.
What a season!

[Michael K.]

I was thinking about this the other day. I'm sure there were other games that the play calling frustrated me some, but the funny thing is? I went from complete outrage over this game, to a few months later defending conservative play calling because....well, conservative made sense!

I still say this is one Kubiak would like back. I still say he didn't trust Darnold in this game. I also am left to wonder what might have been different if we ended up winning this game? Does the offense ever evolve into what it became if the game plan that had us at less than 100 yards passing after the two minute warning had actually ended up in a victory on the road against a divisional rival?

[trharder]

I was thinking about this the other day. I'm sure there were other games that the play calling frustrated me some, but the funny thing is? I went from complete outrage over this game, to a few months later defending conservative play calling because....well, conservative made sense!

I still say this is one Kubiak would like back. I still say he didn't trust Darnold in this game. I also am left to wonder what might have been different if we ended up winning this game? Does the offense ever evolve into what it became if the game plan that had us at less than 100 yards passing after the two minute warning had actually ended up in a victory on the road against a divisional rival?

I commented on the first page. It wasn't too cringy.
Darnold has exceeded my then-expectations. I can tell I already had a good feeling about the defense.
It's kinda creepy reading a post from your old self.

[Donn Beach]

The first game of the season can be like that. I don't know if it wasn't trusting him. It's like an extension of pre season. Maybe they could play the veterans more during pre season for it to go smoother but they don't want to risk injuries

[auroraave]

I think the lessons to learn from this is patience - but also - and most importantly - is understanding the long game strategy. We had no idea what Sam could/would/should be - I don't think we have seen his ceiling yet - the offense still has room to grow - and if you are an opponent, that has to be a frightnening thought. Seattle isn't built on 'star power' it's built on scheme and discipline - same exact elements that Mac had success with in Baltimore.
Know your assignment - execute assignment - it's not about "stats" or who had the most sacks - do your job and it's distrubuted pretty evenly - because we are using so many variations - as Spoon showed in the SB.

Any team that hits thier ceiling in week one - especially coming off major off season moves - that should be a huge red flag - or it's the luckiest situation of all time. I stand by my belief we don't hit regular season form until at least 3 weeks into the season. There is just no way with the way the league is structured.

I think most of us saw this as a 10-12 ish win team - I think I pegged us around 11 with the potential to hit stride next season - which may still be the case - we will need the o to further develop - or at the very least NOT regress.

SOme of the best content was lamenting the loss of Geno or DK - those sentiments faded real fast the next week when Seattle went into Pittburgh and punched them right in the mouth - and Geno went right off a cliff after beating the Patriots of all teams.

[Donn Beach]

It's a long season, I don't mean that as a cliche, I don't think we grasp that as we do baseball. Teams go through a lot of development during the season. I think looking back, the seahawks were pretty remarkably consistent over the season. I guess you have to be to lose only three games. And that's an achievement in itself. It's one thing to have talent but to roll out consistent strong performances week after week, that's great coaching. And I've said before, what i think I admire most about MM is how the team responds to defeat. The loss to the giants the season before, the loss to Tampa, the loss to the Rams. They come out fired up after a loss