Donavon trade update

[mostonmike]

The Cardinals have promoted Cijntje to AAA. I believe i was laughed at when i predicted he could make it to the majors this season, so we shall see. Maybe the firsf place cardinals are seeing a need.

I rarely jump on trade debates, although I lurk.

One was tempted to say "No, you were laughed at because you are Donn Beach" - but I decided not to.

[Seattle or Bust]

How have they benefited just fine from it? They are the team out of the three not in first place

As if one player or mid-tier trade uniquely leads to a team being in first place or speaks to the benefit lol.

The trades you mention have hardly made a blip on scale.

Williamson sucks and the Rays trading for him made barely any difference. He's been worth less fWAR than Donovan.

Cjinte sucks and the Cardinals trading for him has made no difference in them contending.

[DavidGee24]

Poor Donn Beach today, got it from MM and SoB here and from me, MK and DT in the Hawk Forum. That's our Donn!

[mostonmike]

Poor Donn Beach today, got it from MM and SoB here and from me, MK and DT in the Hawk Forum. That's our Donn!

He is a character isn't he? Sometimes hated, occasionally loved but never to be ignored.

[Donn Beach]

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How have they benefited just fine from it? They are the team out of the three not in first place

As if one player or mid-tier trade uniquely leads to a team being in first place or speaks to the benefit lol.

The trades you mention have hardly made a blip on scale.

Williamson sucks and the Rays trading for him made barely any difference. He's been worth less fWAR than Donovan.

Cjinte sucks and the Cardinals trading for him has made no difference in them contending.

Im saying the cardinals were percieved to be relagated to rebuild mode, something they in fact they arent used to doing. They traded off players for development pieces for the future. But here they are in first place and i think considering using Cjinte for an immediate impact. It has nothing to do with judging the trade or regretting it. Im comparing where the two teams are, generally viewing the off seasons. The mariners were supposed to be AL WS favorites and the Cardinals were supposed to be relagated to second tier. Its like if mariners had managed to have traded away veterans for prospects and be putting up a better record this season. The Cardinals off season looks like gang busters at this point, the mariners not so much. You guys complain about dipotos roster building. The cardinals seems more successful. The

Donovan trade didnt have anything to do with it? The cardinals managed to trade him and not skip a beat. They have fielded an even more successful team, im impressed. Seems more impressive than what dipoto has to point at

[bpj]

Same idea the Mariners should be using.

Trade the guy who won't be here long.

Get guys who will.

Unless we're going to act like chasing the Dodgers with these bums is a good idea.

[Donn Beach]

Same idea the Mariners should be using.

Trade the guy who won't be here long.

Get guys who will.

Unless we're going to act like chasing the Dodgers with these bums is a good idea.

Yeah, its an interesting thought. Somehow the Cardinals were able to improve while trading what was believed was their glue guy, their All Star. Dipoto has alluded to the possibility of something like that happening. Trades between contenders.

[Seattle or Bust]

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How have they benefited just fine from it? They are the team out of the three not in first place

As if one player or mid-tier trade uniquely leads to a team being in first place or speaks to the benefit lol.

The trades you mention have hardly made a blip on scale.

Williamson sucks and the Rays trading for him made barely any difference. He's been worth less fWAR than Donovan.

Cjinte sucks and the Cardinals trading for him has made no difference in them contending.

Im saying the cardinals were percieved to be relagated to rebuild mode, something they in fact they arent used to doing. They traded off players for development pieces for the future. But here they are in first place and i think considering using Cjinte for an immediate impact. It has nothing to do with judging the trade or regretting it. Im comparing where the two teams are, generally viewing the off seasons. The mariners were supposed to be AL WS favorites and the Cardinals were supposed to be relagated to second tier. Its like if mariners had managed to have traded away veterans for prospects and be putting up a better record this season. The Cardinals off season looks like gang busters at this point, the mariners not so much. You guys complain about dipotos roster building. The cardinals seems more successful. The

Donovan trade didnt have anything to do with it? The cardinals managed to trade him and not skip a beat. They have fielded an even more successful team, im impressed. Seems more impressive than what dipoto has to point at

That is utter nonsense.

The Cardinals being 50-45 has been sheer luck. They have overperformed in a year they weren't expected to... it happens. And as stated, Cjinte potentially pitching for them this year is not a celebration if he stinks.

If the Mariners had traded away veterans and overperformed their metal, you wouldn't be looking at any of those trades as the reason. Brendan Donovan not being a Cardinal did not magically make Jordan Walker go from a player who had put up -2.5 WAR in 3 seasons to a 4-WAR All Star.

In fact, I bet the Cardinals regret trading Donovan give where they are now in the standings. Their 3B, CF, LF have put up a combined 0.1 bWAR... all positions Donovan is capable of playing.

Your reasoning, per usual, is obtuse as fuck.

[Donn Beach]

Sure, and its bad luck that the mariners are under performing. So everybody get off of Dipotos back about it

[Seattle or Bust]

Sure, and its bad luck that the mariners are under performing. So everybody get off of Dipotos back about it

You not understanding that bad players overperforming =/= good players underperforming is ridiculous.

You want to give Chaim Bloom credit for Walker magically pulling a rabbit out of his ass? Go for it. I bet you he wishes he did not trade Donovan away now.

Dipoto didn't do well adding depth on the margins and it has shown. Chaim Bloom hasn't either... in fact, he didn't intend to, which is why the Cardinals are likely in for a rude second half awakening.