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[Sibelius Hindemith]

It seems foolish to rank a team that high that would be 1-4 or 0-5 with a good but not great QB. I wouldn't put the Seahawks in the top 5 as long as their D is on pace to set multiple records for futility.

[Michael K.]

I am a little worried about the Cards, but I really think their coach is a fool. Sometimes when a coach falls in love with a player, whether it is because he traded for or acquired a player, and refuses to move on...they look foolish. Watching Mr Big 12 try to force feed the ball to Kenyon Drake is hilarious. Against the Jets in the first half I think Drake had like 10 touches for about 15 yards. The guy playing behind him had 4 touches for about 50, and a long TD. In the second half they kept force feeding Drake. Against a real bad Jets defense, Drake ended up with 19 touches for 62 yards. Edmonds 8 touches for 92. He really strikes me as arrogant....I kind of felt that way when he was flaunting his "pad" at the draft. It seems he is so set on proving he is right that he will force it, needs to look cool and smart. They are 3 and 2 and lost to some pretty mediocre teams.

Sark used to do this. Tried to make Locker a pocket passer so he could get drafted higher, needed his QB to be the focal point of the offense even though the talent said othewise, used to force the ball to Jaydon Mickens instead of John Ross. Hell, remember when they moved Ross to CB!? WTF!?

I could be wrong, but that guy is going to ruin AZ. More than twice the touches for a guy averaging 3.2 per touch than the guy averaging 11.5 is bad enough. But he doubled down in the second half. It might be different if it was a new thing, but it has been going on since week one.

Drake averages 3.7 yards per touch. Believe it or not, he averages 3.7 per catch and per carry! Drake averages 5 yards per rush and 7.2 per catch. So, you would think there would be an effort to get the more explosive player involved, right? The guy averaging 3.7 per carry has 85 carries to 19 for the other guy. It is an ongoing joke amongst Fantasy Football "experts". And yeah, I get it, Fantasy isn't reality. But for heaven's sake, anyone who has watched a few Cardinals games this season can't figure it out.

As for Fitz? He is washed up. Great guy, and he will probably beat up our secondary, but he averages 6.8 yards per catch!

[Michael K.]

It seems foolish to rank a team that high that would be 1-4 or 0-5 with a good but not great QB. I wouldn't put the Seahawks in the top 5 as long as their D is on pace to set multiple records for futility.

So, you should rate a team lower based on what might be if they didn't have a great QB?

[D-train]

I am a little worried about the Cards, but I really think their coach is a fool. Sometimes when a coach falls in love with a player, whether it is because he traded for or acquired a player, and refuses to move on...they look foolish. Watching Mr Big 12 try to force feed the ball to Kenyon Drake is hilarious. Against the Jets in the first half I think Drake had like 10 touches for about 15 yards. The guy playing behind him had 4 touches for about 50, and a long TD. In the second half they kept force feeding Drake. Against a real bad Jets defense, Drake ended up with 19 touches for 62 yards. Edmonds 8 touches for 92. He really strikes me as arrogant....I kind of felt that way when he was flaunting his "pad" at the draft. It seems he is so set on proving he is right that he will force it, needs to look cool and smart. They are 3 and 2 and lost to some pretty mediocre teams.

Sark used to do this. Tried to make Locker a pocket passer so he could get drafted higher, needed his QB to be the focal point of the offense even though the talent said othewise, used to force the ball to Jaydon Mickens instead of John Ross. Hell, remember when they moved Ross to CB!? WTF!?

I could be wrong, but that guy is going to ruin AZ. More than twice the touches for a guy averaging 3.2 per touch than the guy averaging 11.5 is bad enough. But he doubled down in the second half. It might be different if it was a new thing, but it has been going on since week one.

Drake averages 3.7 yards per touch. Believe it or not, he averages 3.7 per catch and per carry! Drake averages 5 yards per rush and 7.2 per catch. So, you would think there would be an effort to get the more explosive player involved, right? The guy averaging 3.7 per carry has 85 carries to 19 for the other guy. It is an ongoing joke amongst Fantasy Football "experts". And yeah, I get it, Fantasy isn't reality. But for heaven's sake, anyone who has watched a few Cardinals games this season can't figure it out.

As for Fitz? He is washed up. Great guy, and he will probably beat up our secondary, but he averages 6.8 yards per catch!

How does a guy that was 35-40 with Texas freaking Tech (btw Mike Leach was 84-43 there) get an NFL HC job???

Reminds me of the young golden anointed guys like Lane Kiffin that some how convince people that they are smarter than they are.

[Michael K.]

I think people saw his offense, the way he looked and acted and thought "he is the next McVey!"...even though he hadn't done jack shit to show that he could be. He is the next cool thing...but will burn that team to the ground. Murray is special, and the way he moves around scares me, but they will lose too many games they shouldn't to be a factor in the division. The talent on that offense is crazy, and in the third quarter against a pretty bad Jets team they were up 17 to 10! I know, big talk coming from the fan of a team that couldn't put Miami away, but I really do think the heat and humidity ruined us that day...and the game still never seemed in doubt. I watched the Jets and Cards, and if I was a fan of the Cards there were times I might have thought that game was in doubt!

[D-train]

I think people saw his offense, the way he looked and acted and thought "he is the next McVey!"...even though he hadn't done jack shit to show that he could be. He is the next cool thing...but will burn that team to the ground. Murray is special, and the way he moves around scares me, but they will lose too many games they shouldn't to be a factor in the division. The talent on that offense is crazy, and in the third quarter against a pretty bad Jets team they were up 17 to 10! I know, big talk coming from the fan of a team that couldn't put Miami away, but I really do think the heat and humidity ruined us that day...and the game still never seemed in doubt. I watched the Jets and Cards, and if I was a fan of the Cards there were times I might have thought that game was in doubt!

Yeah like I said they are 3-2 vs. 7-17 teams. Not very impressive. We all thought the 49er win was big but in hindsight not so much.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

It seems foolish to rank a team that high that would be 1-4 or 0-5 with a good but not great QB. I wouldn't put the Seahawks in the top 5 as long as their D is on pace to set multiple records for futility.

So, you should rate a team lower based on what might be if they didn't have a great QB?

That's a tough question. I guess didn't phrase it very well. It's more about the sustainability of RW's level of play. It seems one would have to assume that what he is doing is the new normal for the Seahawks in order to believe they are one of the best teams. There's a fragility in teams that rely largely on one player to pull out victories. He does have the best WR corps he's ever had and a slightly better line, but i don't know that you can assume he will continue a pace that would set a new TD pass record and passer rating record. And i think margin of victory is predictive of future success.

[D-train]

Funny you should bring up RW in that light.

https://12thmanrising.com/2020/10/15/ru ... -bye-week/

[Michael K.]

That's a tough question. I guess didn't phrase it very well. It's more about the sustainability of RW's level of play. It seems one would have to assume that what he is doing is the new normal for the Seahawks in order to believe they are one of the best teams. There's a fragility in teams that rely largely on one player to pull out victories. He does have the best WR corps he's ever had and a slightly better line, but i don't know that you can assume he will continue a pace that would set a new TD pass record and passer rating record. And i think margin of victory is predictive of future success.

Good points. My first thought is we have been questioning can he keep up this level of play since before his second contract. I think it is highly likely that he plays at this level or better for awhile. If I were to look at most of the teams in this ranking and we removed the QB for a player not as good, how many wouldn't get a decline in ranking? My guess is all of them. The QB drives the car, so removing the driver...doesn't much matter what the car can do.

He has not only the best WR core he has ever had, but possibly the best in the League...which just might get better with Dorsett and Gordon. And I disagree that the line is only slightly better. Margin of victory is a tough one. The league is so even. I have the Sunday Ticket, so can watch every game, including a few channels that will show four or more games at once. It is mind blowing how many games come down to the 4th quarter and often the last possession.

By the way, Seattle is 8th in point differential. That is not bad.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/a ... ing-margin

[D-train]

Yep and we haven't played the Jets or Giants or the Football team formally known as the Redskins yet. Might be able to pull off a double digit win.....or not.