Vaccine vs. Mask

[BaseHitDerby]

Stanford study quietly published at NIH.gov proves face masks are absolutely worthless against Covid
The diapers most of us are wearing on our face most of the time apparently have no effect at stopping Covid-19. This explains a lot.

Conclusion
The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.

https://noqreport.com/2021/04/17/stanfo ... ource=econ

So wearing a mask is useless against Covid, but instead causes physiological and psychological harm to people. The left will still blame Trump for all Covid deaths though. Orange Man Bad!!!! Bad human being not wearing mask!!!!

[bpj]

We tried explaining this nonsense months ago.

If you can smell a fart through your mask, you can get covid through your mask.

Was never rocket science.

[BaseHitDerby]

I wonder if the libtards finally realize the left and MSM used masks as a political tool to play everyone.

[gil]

Stanford study quietly published at NIH.gov proves face masks are absolutely worthless against Covid
The diapers most of us are wearing on our face most of the time apparently have no effect at stopping Covid-19. This explains a lot.

Conclusion
The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.

https://noqreport.com/2021/04/17/stanfo ... ource=econ

So wearing a mask is useless against Covid, but instead causes physiological and psychological harm to people. The left will still blame Trump for all Covid deaths though. Orange Man Bad!!!! Bad human being not wearing mask!!!!

I find it interesting that many people (quite rightly) are skeptical about things they read. An example being skepticism about the existing studies that conclude that masks are effective in mitigating the virus spread. (Protecting yourself is a side benefit, but the primary purpose of masks is to protect other people.)

Then ONE study comes along and these same people are latching onto it as the truth.
thepeoplesvoice.org
christianreseardchnetwork.org
americanconconservativemovement.com
noqreport.com
educationviews.org
wiredailynews.com
defconnews.com
dodbuzz.com
usanews.com
deepstatejouirnal.com
conservativeplaylist.com
thetruthrevolution.net

As I said, interesting. I guess we all decide what we are going to believe. I'll keep an open mind, but this is just ONE study.

[auroraave]

Stanford study quietly published at NIH.gov proves face masks are absolutely worthless against Covid
The diapers most of us are wearing on our face most of the time apparently have no effect at stopping Covid-19. This explains a lot.

Conclusion
The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.

https://noqreport.com/2021/04/17/stanfo ... ource=econ

So wearing a mask is useless against Covid, but instead causes physiological and psychological harm to people. The left will still blame Trump for all Covid deaths though. Orange Man Bad!!!! Bad human being not wearing mask!!!!

I find it interesting that many people (quite rightly) are skeptical about things they read. An example being skepticism about the existing studies that conclude that masks are effective in mitigating the virus spread. (Protecting yourself is a side benefit, but the primary purpose of masks is to protect other people.)

Then ONE study comes along and these same people are latching onto it as the truth.
thepeoplesvoice.org
christianreseardchnetwork.org
americanconconservativemovement.com
noqreport.com
educationviews.org
wiredailynews.com
defconnews.com
dodbuzz.com
usanews.com
deepstatejouirnal.com
conservativeplaylist.com
thetruthrevolution.net

As I said, interesting. I guess we all decide what we are going to believe. I'll keep an open mind, but this is just ONE study.

Um, this is Stanford, dude. Arguably a top three academic and research institution in the country - with no discernable political affiliation. This isn't Berkeley, Evergreen College, Oral Roberts or some remote website - we're talking about Stanford - these are the most upper echelon of researchers anywhere. These people don't do propaganda - they do shit that their careers and futures depend on - 100%. If they do bogus research - their careers are over. You don't get to that level to just start falsifying results - you will get called out and blacklisted from academic circles. I have literally never heard of any of those sites you have posted - but isn't the real question - why aren't CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etal running this story?

Masks won't save you, it's clear. Any advantage is debatable. Microns can get passed probably 99% of the masks you see people wearing. Why is it, California, where I live, had these insane draconian mask mandates that were extreme - and yet it stopped nothing. The mandates were so bad, that the Governor who pushed them is getting booted out of office. Why are Texas and Florida and other states that have been open and living their lives without the masks - doing just fine? California + masks = massive spread, meanwhile, Texas, Fla, etal, have killed off the mask mandates - and are having no problems. The math doesn't add up to 'masks are saving us'.

I'll take my chances with a Stanford study, seven days a week. They don't do bullshit and they don't do woke politics. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but when you're skeptical about Stanford research results? C'mon, man. Again - why aren't then "mainstream media" talking about this study? That's what you should be asking yourself. Why are they not giving us this information so we can make our own decisions?

The same way people shame others for NOT wearing masks, the time is rapidly approaching when people wearing masks are going to be the ones getting laughed at and bullied because, at this point, it's just ridiculous. People have had enough.

[gil]

I don't disagree with what you are saying about Stanford. It's good to respect elite institutions. As you suggest, they got that status by doing good research.

I have looked at this paper a little more carefully, and I also agree: no suggestion of falsifying of results here.

But I think we should be honest about the limitations of the study. This is a review of existing research and an argument in support of a proposition: there are downsides to wearing masks (effectiveness aside). The study cites existing studies on mask effectiveness, including at least one that found that masks are effective (Chu et al., 2020). But the author did not collect any data.

If someone is looking for a study that supports his/her pre-existing belief that masks are bad, here you have support for that belief. I suspect that the sites from the google search results I listed are generally "anti mask." But one study, and this one in particular, is hardly the final (or only) word on the subject.

[BaseHitDerby]

A newly released study in the academic journal Annals of Internal Medicine casts more doubt on policies that force healthy individuals to wear face coverings in hopes of limiting the spread of COVID-19.

“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial,” the New York Times reports.

The study is perhaps the best scientific evidence to date on the efficacy of masks.

To conduct the study, which ran from early April to early June, scientists at the University of Copenhagen recruited more than 6,000 participants who had tested negative for COVID-19 immediately prior to the experiment.

https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-stu ... infection/

Masks and respirators do not work.

There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles.

Furthermore, the relevant known physics and biology, which I review, are such that masks and respirators should not work. It would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

The present paper about masks illustrates the degree to which governments, the mainstream media, and institutional propagandists can decide to operate in a science vacuum, or select only incomplete science that serves their interests. Such recklessness is also certainly the case with the current global lockdown of over 1 billion people, an unprecedented experiment in medical and political history.

Conclusion
By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/mas ... ial-policy

Masks for the general population as they are currently used (surgical masks and the cloth masks), are ineffective (particularly when used without other mitigation) and the body of evidence (see AIER) is clear. A recent op-ed in the Washington Post spoke to mask wearing by everyone during the 1918 flu pandemic, with the conclusion that masks were useless. We embrace fully the contention by Klompas in the NEJM that “what is clear, however, is that universal masking alone is not a panacea. A mask will not protect providers caring for a patient with active Covid-19 if it’s not accompanied by meticulous hand hygiene, eye protection, gloves, and a gown. A mask alone will not prevent health care workers with early Covid-19 from contaminating their hands and spreading the virus to patients and colleagues. Focusing on universal masking alone could, paradoxically, lead to more transmission of Covid-19 if it diverts attention from implementing more fundamental infection-control measures.” We are particularly alarmed by the harms of masking and the failure by top US agencies and leadership (as well as the media and ‘media’ medical experts) to discuss or highlight harms in any discourse on masking.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-cdcs-m ... -debunked/

Here's some more research, Gil. Masks have been so politicized that people are damn fed up with it.

[BaseHitDerby]

https://noqreport.com/2021/04/17/stanfo ... ource=econ

So wearing a mask is useless against Covid, but instead causes physiological and psychological harm to people. The left will still blame Trump for all Covid deaths though. Orange Man Bad!!!! Bad human being not wearing mask!!!!

I find it interesting that many people (quite rightly) are skeptical about things they read. An example being skepticism about the existing studies that conclude that masks are effective in mitigating the virus spread. (Protecting yourself is a side benefit, but the primary purpose of masks is to protect other people.)

Then ONE study comes along and these same people are latching onto it as the truth.
thepeoplesvoice.org
christianreseardchnetwork.org
americanconconservativemovement.com
noqreport.com
educationviews.org
wiredailynews.com
defconnews.com
dodbuzz.com
usanews.com
deepstatejouirnal.com
conservativeplaylist.com
thetruthrevolution.net

As I said, interesting. I guess we all decide what we are going to believe. I'll keep an open mind, but this is just ONE study.

Um, this is Stanford, dude. Arguably a top three academic and research institution in the country - with no discernable political affiliation. This isn't Berkeley, Evergreen College, Oral Roberts or some remote website - we're talking about Stanford - these are the most upper echelon of researchers anywhere. These people don't do propaganda - they do shit that their careers and futures depend on - 100%. If they do bogus research - their careers are over. You don't get to that level to just start falsifying results - you will get called out and blacklisted from academic circles. I have literally never heard of any of those sites you have posted - but isn't the real question - why aren't CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etal running this story?

Masks won't save you, it's clear. Any advantage is debatable. Microns can get passed probably 99% of the masks you see people wearing. Why is it, California, where I live, had these insane draconian mask mandates that were extreme - and yet it stopped nothing. The mandates were so bad, that the Governor who pushed them is getting booted out of office. Why are Texas and Florida and other states that have been open and living their lives without the masks - doing just fine? California + masks = massive spread, meanwhile, Texas, Fla, etal, have killed off the mask mandates - and are having no problems. The math doesn't add up to 'masks are saving us'.

I'll take my chances with a Stanford study, seven days a week. They don't do bullshit and they don't do woke politics. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but when you're skeptical about Stanford research results? C'mon, man. Again - why aren't then "mainstream media" talking about this study? That's what you should be asking yourself. Why are they not giving us this information so we can make our own decisions?

The same way people shame others for NOT wearing masks, the time is rapidly approaching when people wearing masks are going to be the ones getting laughed at and bullied because, at this point, it's just ridiculous. People have had enough.

Twitter suspended the account of Steve Cortes, a former Trump campaign staffer, for tweeting out the Stanford study. This is how extreme the censorship and propaganda has gotten.

Twitter Blocks Stanford Study Showing Face Masks Trap CO2, Do Not Stop COVID

Evidence continues to mount that facemasks are not only ineffective at stopping the spread of COVID-19, but also trap carbon dioxide which leads to cognitive loss and other adverse health effects.

Leave it to Big Tech to suppress recent findings which go against the narrative set by Dr. Anthony Fauci and CDC bureaucrats.

In a tweet by former Trump campaign staffer Steve Cortes on Friday, Cortes cites a Nov. 22 Stanford University study regarding CO2 trapping and face masks. The tweet was removed a few hours later and Cortes was suspended from Twitter, according to Raheem Kassam of the British conservative blog National Pulse. This appears to confirm what has been stated in publications from the CDC in from June 2020 regarding the dangers of masks trapping CO2 and also earlier studies such as one from Harvard University in 2015 regarding effects of CO2 concentrations on cognitive ability.

[ddraig]

I wonder if the libtards finally realize the left and MSM used masks as a political tool to play everyone.

Honest answer? No. Most think the media is unbiased and truthful.

[SpokaneCoug]

I wonder if the libtards finally realize the left and MSM used masks as a political tool to play everyone.

Honest answer? No. Most think the media is unbiased and truthful.

Serious question - is Fox News part of MSM? Are they biased and bad? Or is it only CNN, MSNBC, etc that are bad? Same for OAN, Breitbart, etc.

Where do you guys go to personally be informed? Twitter?