Vaccine vs. Mask

[gil]

Ironically if you two met you would probably end up being friends.

Can assure you that wouldn't happen.

I don't consort with lib bitches in a friend capacity because they're not capable of it.

They will stab you in the back as soon as they find out your leanings. You've seen it here personally ten times once they realize you're independent and not a lib bitch like them.

You're just kind enough to move past it.

If you did meet yup, I'd really like to know what the mask situation would be.

In my experience, if you put a lib, a moderate and a conservative in a room, the conservative and moderate will listen to all points of view, they're generally willing to have a discussion - even if they disagree with another's point of view. Liberals will not listen to any POV except their own. That is not 100%, of course, but that is what I have seen to be true - and I live in hard core lib central. There can only be their way, or else you're a racist. That behavior generally stems from their inability to support their own positions with reasonable dialogue and logical points.

I was having a discussion with a crazy lib friend regarding federal covid policy, and I said I leaned into Jeffersonian ideology - you know - putting the emphasis on states taking control of their own destiny. He literally told me that I was a racist - because Jefferson owned slaves and that made him a racist. I pointed out that it was perfectly legal to have slaves back then, and he got all pissed off. I asked him to explain how it was racist - nothing but rage and nonsense - and he said because they were black. I pointed out that - the slave trade was started in the middle east and fed by black slave traders in Africa, and that all races have endured slavery - all of them. It had nothing to do with being black. I asked why he was singling out blacks when whites, asians, everyone has been enslaved. The usual rage and fury - but no answers.

Again, what would the mask situation be?

Eye rolling when you describe your crazy lib friend. That is a pretty far out there viewpoint, so I don't necessarily see much of that from people I know who I would call liberal. (Maybe you just call him your crazy friend and nothing of substance changes, right?)

As to listening to others' viewpoints: I worked on a project a while back with someone who was promoting a concept he called "listen louder". (I just googled it and didn't find his version, so obviously it didn't catch on.) What he meant by "listen louder" is applied to an issue two people disagree with, let's say masks, or maybe the proposed infrastructure package. Person #1 offers his opinion and reasoning, and Person #2 replies in the form of "what I hear you saying is ___ and ___" etc. If person #2 has listened well, Person #1 will say, "Yes, you have described my feelings, logic, etc."

Obviously not everyone "listens" like this. I hear people of both left and right not listening to what "the other side" is saying, and basically just saying that "the other side" is brainwashed by their presumed choice of media. One person is accused of being a "mask lover" because of listening to nothing CNN, and another a "covid denier" because of listening to nothing but FOX. Not very helpful positions, are they?

[auroraave]

Eye rolling when you describe your crazy lib friend. That is a pretty far out there viewpoint, so I don't necessarily see much of that from people I know who I would call liberal. (Maybe you just call him your crazy friend and nothing of substance changes, right?)

As to listening to others' viewpoints: I worked on a project a while back with someone who was promoting a concept he called "listen louder". (I just googled it and didn't find his version, so obviously it didn't catch on.) What he meant by "listen louder" is applied to an issue two people disagree with, let's say masks, or maybe the proposed infrastructure package. Person #1 offers his opinion and reasoning, and Person #2 replies in the form of "what I hear you saying is ___ and ___" etc. If person #2 has listened well, Person #1 will say, "Yes, you have described my feelings, logic, etc."

Obviously not everyone "listens" like this. I hear people of both left and right not listening to what "the other side" is saying, and basically just saying that "the other side" is brainwashed by their presumed choice of media. One person is accused of being a "mask lover" because of listening to nothing CNN, and another a "covid denier" because of listening to nothing but FOX. Not very helpful positions, are they?

The thing about my friend, is that I don't even believe HE believes those things - but it's what is being fed to him so consistently via the 'news' social media that it becomes his own narrative as well, and it's indicative of people who consume too much news - it changes people. It's just all anger and fear - by design. I feel bad for him because he can't see how it's affected him. He truly can't. But when shit dies down and he's less ragey, he'll start to remember convos like that and be like "oh shit..." Still love the guy, and we actually spoke today, but that type of posturing leaves a little stain on the friendship.

To your point, we have become a culture of read to respond, not read to grasp and understand. Nope, It's all about having a hot take and getting those likes. And people feel empowered taking positions on trending topics, it feeds the ego. Social media has ruined the art of conversation. I'm not judging that, just acknowledging. As many positives as social media brings us - and its a lot - there is this down side to it. But, that's always going to be that case. Does the good outweigh the bad?

[bpj]

Even Bill Mahers dumbass can see what puppets the libs are about covid-

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=930860720823931

[Mel Bradford]

Well, the mantra of science plunged us into regulation. Now with over a year of stats and reality mythology reigns.
....like everything else.

[gil]

Eye rolling when you describe your crazy lib friend. That is a pretty far out there viewpoint, so I don't necessarily see much of that from people I know who I would call liberal. (Maybe you just call him your crazy friend and nothing of substance changes, right?)

As to listening to others' viewpoints: I worked on a project a while back with someone who was promoting a concept he called "listen louder". (I just googled it and didn't find his version, so obviously it didn't catch on.) What he meant by "listen louder" is applied to an issue two people disagree with, let's say masks, or maybe the proposed infrastructure package. Person #1 offers his opinion and reasoning, and Person #2 replies in the form of "what I hear you saying is ___ and ___" etc. If person #2 has listened well, Person #1 will say, "Yes, you have described my feelings, logic, etc."

Obviously not everyone "listens" like this. I hear people of both left and right not listening to what "the other side" is saying, and basically just saying that "the other side" is brainwashed by their presumed choice of media. One person is accused of being a "mask lover" because of listening to nothing CNN, and another a "covid denier" because of listening to nothing but FOX. Not very helpful positions, are they?

The thing about my friend, is that I don't even believe HE believes those things - but it's what is being fed to him so consistently via the 'news' social media that it becomes his own narrative as well, and it's indicative of people who consume too much news - it changes people. It's just all anger and fear - by design. I feel bad for him because he can't see how it's affected him. He truly can't. But when shit dies down and he's less ragey, he'll start to remember convos like that and be like "oh shit..." Still love the guy, and we actually spoke today, but that type of posturing leaves a little stain on the friendship.

To your point, we have become a culture of read to respond, not read to grasp and understand. Nope, It's all about having a hot take and getting those likes. And people feel empowered taking positions on trending topics, it feeds the ego. Social media has ruined the art of conversation. I'm not judging that, just acknowledging. As many positives as social media brings us - and its a lot - there is this down side to it. But, that's always going to be that case. Does the good outweigh the bad?

That is a great description of what I think is going on too. Did you read about Walter Isaacson's (he wrote the biography of Steve Jobs) testimony to a House subcommittee last month? He said that Facebook and Twitter use algorithms that are intended to amplify and pass along extreme views (including false information). The social media companies argue that it is "engagement" but the result is that people get worked up and pissed off and don't listen to things hey don't agree with. Extreme views ("Jefferson was a racist") bubble to the surface.

[seattlefan-daBronx]

For those who take the vaccine...these nano are now in your body. scary as shit.
https://banned.video/watch?id=6084834cb7625f0944bd46a0

[Grandma Lynn]

For those who take the vaccine...these nano are now in your body. scary as shit.
https://banned.video/watch?id=6084834cb7625f0944bd46a0

Scary, since I don't know what's going on.
BUT, have you ever put a drop of water
under the microscope? That's scary too.
Now, somebody find out exactly what's
going on before everyone freaks out!

[Coeurd’Alene J]

So when I get the shot. I get to go anywhere without the mouth diaper, life goes completely back to normal and the fellow fans at the ballpark don’t need to social distance and the park is at full capacity.........

No well then fuck you

[auroraave]

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That is a great description of what I think is going on too. Did you read about Walter Isaacson's (he wrote the biography of Steve Jobs) testimony to a House subcommittee last month? He said that Facebook and Twitter use algorithms that are intended to amplify and pass along extreme views (including false information). The social media companies argue that it is "engagement" but the result is that people get worked up and pissed off and don't listen to things hey don't agree with. Extreme views ("Jefferson was a racist") bubble to the surface.
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That is Social media's business model - anything to encourage consumption - because it is ad driven - more eyes on ads = more revenue. Good business model - but extremely socially irresponsible to the consumers. There may be a day of reckoning coming for them.

Now, take my friend's case - he''ll get all stirred up by the latest media manufactured outrage - then he gets together with like minded people - keep doing the math - keep playing it out - and that is literally how you end up with Chaz, with whatever is left of Seattle, with Portland, SF, LA, NY, Chicago, Minneapolis. These are all democrat controlled cities and they blatantly exploited the crazy 'everyone is racist' narratives to get votes. It's unconscionable. it is their only tactic because their policies are complete failures - just tax everyone to death. Both the media and the dems know it's all bullshit and they are willing to burn down everything to distract you and change the conversation from policy to racism to 'get elected' because their policies are utter garbage and they know it. How anyone with any sensibilities can look at the two parties, the Dems who burn down everything, and the republicans who are trying to keep things safe and peacful - and say the Republicans are the bad guy - is utterly ridiculous. The enemy of my enemy is my friend - and the crazed leftist dems are the enemy, look at the swath of destruction they have caused - so I'm forced to vote for the sane choice. Nancy Pelosi literally admitted she would not allow a vote on stimulus checks because Trump would get credit. People's lives were literally hanging in the balance - and that was the Dems reaction. First they burn down your cities and destroy all the small businesses - then tell you to fuck off when you ask for help, lest someone besides them gets all the credit. That's not saying the Republicans are saints at all - they are, by far, the lesser of the two evils.

It's laughable anyone would vote for that. There is zero logic to it. That's why the Dems/crazy left's only chance is to hide behind the brazenly false propaganda the irresponsible media pedals, because when you start to question them on how everything can magically be free, they cannot answer that - because it's not free - it's coming out of your pocket - but they won't tell you that.

There are good and reasonable dems and dem ideologies - absolutely - but those have been shoved aside for radical left nonsense. It's a shame - they have reasonable and sound voices getting drowned out by the noise of the left. But, they've also allowed this carnage, this assault on all Americans, to continue - and they need to be held accountable, too. This is not in praise of Republicans, it's realizing they are the less toxic and damaging choice, in nearly every category.

[maoling]

Everytime I see Pelosi's name or nasty mug, I want to use the "C" word.

I guess what shocks me the most is that only about half the people in the country can see how extensively this leftist charade and "whitewash" is being propagated. Most dangerous and evil power grab in my lifetime imho. At least on a par, if not worse than the venal rapaciousness and contempt for this country of the Nixon Administration.

I don't see this turning around, aurora.