Hamas Attack in Israel

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:00 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:03 pm
gil wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:06 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:34 pm
Not to mention, Jews have traditionally been Dems to a large extent. I could see a mass migration to the Republican party....

So Biden could ironically be getting it from both ends. lol
I think that is true about Jewish-Americans ... *IF* Republicans maintain a strong pro-Israel stance.

I think both major parties have their factions that are in danger of splintering. For the Republicans, it seems that there is very strong pro-Israel sentiment among many Evangelicals. But isn't the "America First" faction opposed to foreign engagements (i.e., Ukraine) that don't directly affect American interests? I'm curious how this group views the Israel-Hamas war as it plays out. Does "American First" mean "let Israel fight its own battles, none of our business"?
Dems think they are "buying" Latino and Far left Globalist votes by having an open Southern Border so supporting a measly $10 billion donation to Israel to buy the Jewish vote is probably worth it to most of them; even the American First contingent.
Yes, but here's the dilemma I see for Biden (and Democratic leadership): There is not a uniform "Jewish-American vote" anymore than there is a uniform vote among any other demographic, racial, ethic, or religious group. If Biden and Congress give Netanyahu all he is asking for, it's going to make the more "militant" types happy, but others will be less supportive of this level of support. You can't just buy the "Jewish vote" or the "Latino vote" with simplistic policies. (And that is without even going into the viewpoints of other constituencies of the Democratic Party - such as Muslim-Americans and the way left "progressives".)

By the way, when referring to "America First," I was thinking that was a slogan among the Republicans who have argued against globalism and involvement in overseas wars. Part of the MAGA agenda. Am I off base on this?

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by ddraig » Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:09 pm

America First has more nuances that just involvement in foreign wars. Only become involved in direct U.S. interests. It encompasses immigration (illegal and legal), economic policies (jobs sent offshore), and "strict construction" interpretation of the Constitution. In other words, the Constitution means what it says and if you want to change it, pass an Amendment. There is more, but these are the main agenda items.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by ddraig » Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:02 pm

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Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/jakeshieldsajj/stat ... mwK6w&s=19
So lets equate beheading babies to defending one's self? This guy is a frickin' idiot!

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:56 pm

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Some Muslims in Michigan feel "betrayed" by how Democrats have responded to the Israel-Hamas war, and are warning party leaders they might not back the party in 2024, the Associated Press reported.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and other Democrats in the state angered some Arab Americans for attending a pro-Israel rally days after the coordinated terror attack from Hamas earlier this month, but not attending a pro-Palestinian rally in Dearborn, the following day. Dearborn is one of the largest Muslim and Arab-American communities in the country.

At that rally, Whitmer and party leaders in the state were reportedly called out and booed for not attending.

Some Arab Americans told the AP this gesture, along with President Biden's support of Israel, could cost Democrats in the next election.

"There is going to be an effort to not support the people who have not supported us. The people that we voted for such a long time — people that we’ve helped, we’ve donated to and we’ve worked on their campaigns," 22-year-old Palestinian American Adam Abusalah said.

Democratic state Rep. Alabas Farhat said that in 2024, the party would have to answer for the way they've treated Arab Americans and Palestinians in this conflict.

"In 2024, Democrats are going to have a problem with Arab Americans. For too long, they’ve isolated Arab American voices within the party. They’ve isolated the perspectives of Arab Americans. And on this specific issue, they’ve denied even recognizing the human rights of Palestinians," Farhat, whose district contains most of Dearborn, told the AP.
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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by ddraig » Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:50 pm

Sounds like a schism is forming in the Dim Party. Anger the Muslims and they wont vote for you but the Jews may. Anger the Jews and the Muslims may vote for you. This may explain why governments say they support Israel but allow Muslims and others to harass Jews without consequences. They are hoping to keep the Party together, but this war between Israel and Hamas may just split the Dim Party for this fall's elections as well as next year's.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:46 am

ddraig wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:02 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:43 pm
Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/jakeshieldsajj/stat ... mwK6w&s=19
So lets equate beheading babies to defending one's self? This guy is a frickin' idiot!
Wouldn't beheading a baby be the equivalent of a late-term abortion?

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by D-train » Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:19 pm

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:32 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:19 pm
Yes, I really see Democrats pulling away from each other into two camps.

At least, as the minority party in the House, they don't have to select a Speaker! :lol:

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:13 pm

I've seen 0 beheaded babies.

Sounds like more propaganda to me.

Hamas is a bunch of terrorists, but from what I've seen, so is Israel.

After everything we've seen the last 10 years, I'm not taking the establishments word for anything.

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