Adding contact, and doing it cheaply. Off Szn Plan 1.0

[harmony]

I'd love to get Steven Kwan on this team.

1) Re-sign Naylor
2) Trade for Brendan Donovan
3) Trade for Steven Kwan
4) Sign a lefty reliever, or trade for one

This would be a pretty good offseason to me.

Where is Kwan going to play. He had a lower OBP and OPS and WAR than Randy. Sure, good D but such a laterally move to make fans feel like they are doing something.

DT you gotta improve somewhere how Randy has that kind of OBP is startling. He swings for the moon every time. Just not a good look & yeah I'd love to improve defense. Don't give a shit about OPS really. I want a dude that's not gonna swing out of his shoes. Him & Nails at the top would be a good look. To me it's more an improvement. You just need your 2 contact guys at the top, you already got the power bats with JRod & Cal. Would love the Yandy Diaz move but sadly he don't play anywhere other than 1st but he does crush lefties so definitely a good bat for the bench. Honestly if we can't get Donovan from St. Louis I'd be fine with giving Williamson another crack at 3rd especially if he's gonna draw a lot of contact. Definitely a good bottom of the order guy. I do like the idea of adding another lefty ala Columbe if he's available. Fairbanks would be nice too.

Randy Arozarena's on-base percentage was aided by being hit by pitches 27 times, by far the most in the league. Ty France was second with 21 and Zach Neto third with only 14.

[D-train]

Sadly according to Dip's early comments - he's happy with RA in LF.

Of course he is. I am not a Randy fan but they aren't going to dump him because you guys are obsessed with contact.

[D-train]

Where is Kwan going to play. He had a lower OBP and OPS and WAR than Randy. Sure, good D but such a laterally move to make fans feel like they are doing something.

DT you gotta improve somewhere how Randy has that kind of OBP is startling. He swings for the moon every time. Just not a good look & yeah I'd love to improve defense. Don't give a shit about OPS really. I want a dude that's not gonna swing out of his shoes. Him & Nails at the top would be a good look. To me it's more an improvement. You just need your 2 contact guys at the top, you already got the power bats with JRod & Cal. Would love the Yandy Diaz move but sadly he don't play anywhere other than 1st but he does crush lefties so definitely a good bat for the bench. Honestly if we can't get Donovan from St. Louis I'd be fine with giving Williamson another crack at 3rd especially if he's gonna draw a lot of contact. Definitely a good bottom of the order guy. I do like the idea of adding another lefty ala Columbe if he's available. Fairbanks would be nice too.

Randy Arozarena's on-base percentage was aided by being hit by pitches 27 times, by far the most in the league. Ty France was second with 21 and Zach Neto third with only 14.

Steven Kwan's Anemic .705 OBP was suppressed by only hitting 11 HRs the entire season.

[D-train]

The funny thing is everyone wants Kwan and people are sick of Randy and I can see your points but why is Cleveland dying to trade Kwan and why are other teams dying to trade for Randy. I know this is what we do here but it be great to understand the motivation other than lets trade the guys that we don't like and trade for guys we do like.

[Seattle or Bust]

Sadly according to Dip's early comments - he's happy with RA in LF.

I don't see the issue with Randy if you're adding contact around him. He put up 3.9 bWAR for $11.3M last year. That's a hell of a bargain.

I'm not a fan of Kwan at all for what he is going to cost to acquire. He's Nori Aoki with better defense. Why do we need elite defense in a corner OF position (at all) if it means that he's going to have a mediocre bat? He had a 96 OPS+ last year. Ew.

[GL_Storm]

The funny thing is everyone wants Kwan and people are sick of Randy and I can see your points but why is Cleveland dying to trade Kwan and why are other teams dying to trade for Randy. I know this is what we do here but it be great to understand the motivation other than lets trade the guys that we don't like and trade for guys we do like.

Kwan may not be available. We don't know. I'm not desperate to get rid of Arozarena. I think he's a plus major league corner outfielder with one year of team control left and I think there's probably a market for him. Keeping him also isn't the worst idea in the world.

[HawkandMariner88]

I like Randy too I do. I also like when guys get on base & don't swing 1000 miles an hour. He's clearly trying too hard. He could be so much better if he just made some minor adjustments. Obviously moving him down didn't do jack. How about clearing salary with Randy & Castillo then going after a guy like Bellinger. 8.7 BB% to Randys 9.0%, 13.7 K% to Randys 26.9%, .207 ISO to Randy's .188, .272 avg to Randy's .238, .480 SLG to Randy's .426, .347 wOBA to Randy's .332, 125 wRC+ to Randy's 120, 20.2 OWAR to Randy's 15.4, 5.1 DWAR to Randy's -11.6, Cody has a 4.9 WAR to Randy's 2.9. So yeah clearly could use some upgrading. Yeah it'll cost. LH vs. RH too. Both Randy & Castillo could be used to address other areas of need like 3B or 8th inning set-up guy.

[Seattle or Bust]

I like Randy too I do. I also like when guys get on base & don't swing 1000 miles an hour. He's clearly trying too hard. He could be so much better if he just made some minor adjustments. Obviously moving him down didn't do jack. How about clearing salary with Randy & Castillo then going after a guy like Bellinger. 8.7 BB% to Randys 9.0%, 13.7 K% to Randys 26.9%, .207 ISO to Randy's .188, .272 avg to Randy's .238, .480 SLG to Randy's .426, .347 wOBA to Randy's .332, 125 wRC+ to Randy's 120, 20.2 OWAR to Randy's 15.4, 5.1 DWAR to Randy's -11.6, Cody has a 4.9 WAR to Randy's 2.9. So yeah clearly could use some upgrading. Yeah it'll cost. LH vs. RH too. Both Randy & Castillo could be used to address other areas of need like 3B or 8th inning set-up guy.

You seem to not be understanding that the Mariners are not in the business of giving older players large contracts.

He opted out of making $25M a year with 2x blue bloods in the sport.

You think the Mariners are magically going to hand him a long-term deal worth $30M a year?

The conversation should be over in your mind before you hit "submit."

[Optimistic M's Fan]

I'd be curious what everyone thinks is reasonable for what our actual budget IS. If we say its close to 170mil... and we are sitting at around 130 or so... what would actually keep us competitive. I think you have to trade castillo, and get either a reclamation project like Casas that can fill in at DH/1b occasionally, or trade him to maybe baltimore etc for a decent bullpen piece. Now we are around 106 or so on a rough guess? I would think its gonna take 5/90 to get naylor... possibly 100. theres 16-20 ish. Now we need 2nd, 3rd, rotation, a bullpen piece or Dh. Obviously we have Cole Young or Williamson for 2nd or 3rd or even both. Which one do we make a starter and which do we trade and try and upgrade? Both? only one? Try and get Polo back at like 8/24 or 3/30? Who the hell are we trading away as we have a ton of prospects and we can't keep all of them. Would it be so horrible to keep Williamson for 3rd, commit early to Emerson starting right out of spring, and shifting JP to 2nd? Would give us a lot of flexibility for a better outfielder or Dh.... or even better, a trade for a cheap high end starter for the rotation with some of our expendable minor league talent.

[Seattle or Bust]

I'd be curious what everyone thinks is reasonable for what our actual budget IS. If we say its close to 170mil... and we are sitting at around 130 or so... what would actually keep us competitive. I think you have to trade castillo, and get either a reclamation project like Casas that can fill in at DH/1b occasionally, or trade him to maybe baltimore etc for a decent bullpen piece. Now we are around 106 or so on a rough guess? I would think its gonna take 5/90 to get naylor... possibly 100. theres 16-20 ish. Now we need 2nd, 3rd, rotation, a bullpen piece or Dh. Obviously we have Cole Young or Williamson for 2nd or 3rd or even both. Which one do we make a starter and which do we trade and try and upgrade? Both? only one? Try and get Polo back at like 8/24 or 3/30? Who the hell are we trading away as we have a ton of prospects and we can't keep all of them. Would it be so horrible to keep Williamson for 3rd, commit early to Emerson starting right out of spring, and shifting JP to 2nd? Would give us a lot of flexibility for a better outfielder or Dh.... or even better, a trade for a cheap high end starter for the rotation with some of our expendable minor league talent.

What is Luis Castillo stopping them from doing if they have $40M to spend?

$24M a year for a pitcher putting up 180 innings of 3.50 ERA ball and 2.5 WAR is about the going rate. Starters who are doing that aren't growing on trees.

They aren't going to go out there and sign Pete Alonso to $30M a year. The max they'll be handing out is like $17M AAV to Naylor and then it will be short-term deals or trades for players in like Arb 1.