Top 50 M's

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 7:48 pm

The first thing I would do is take Dave Valle off the list. Seems that the guy felt like he had to put three catchers on there even though we've only had two catchers of significance in franchise history.

Valle comes off the list and OPS machine Ken Phelps goes on it.

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by Bil522 » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:14 pm

It is funny Eric Hanson is listed as the M's #24 best player on Baseball Reference(it is just WAR as a player for the M's) and yet no mention of him in the Farkin' Fifty, though he has been posted on here.

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by D-train » Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:35 pm

Bil522 wrote:
Thu Nov 20, 2025 10:14 pm
It is funny Eric Hanson is listed as the M's #24 best player on Baseball Reference(it is just WAR as a player for the M's) and yet no mention of him in the Farkin' Fifty, though he has been posted on here.
I saw him riding an exercise bike in Gold's gym in Houghton circa 1993.
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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:07 am

DavidGee24 wrote:
Thu Nov 20, 2025 7:48 pm
The first thing I would do is take Dave Valle off the list. Seems that the guy felt like he had to put three catchers on there even though we've only had two catchers of significance in franchise history.

Valle comes off the list and OPS machine Ken Phelps goes on it.
How about scrap iron, you know stinson is credited with 3.2 bWAR in 1978. How can you retro grade a season for a player, particularly a catcher, and an outlier like that.

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by 57reasons » Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:33 am

Where are Orlando Mercado, Johnny Moses and Lenny Randle - how could they be left out? and Bobby Ayala of course!

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by D-train » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:30 pm

57reasons wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:33 am
Where are Orlando Mercado, Johnny Moses and Lenny Randle - how could they be left out? and Bobby Ayala of course!
Mercado is 64 yo put up -3.0 WAR in 8 seasons and had a .541 career OPS. lol
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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by Michael K. » Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:55 pm

57reasons wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:33 am
Where are Orlando Mercado, Johnny Moses and Lenny Randle - how could they be left out? and Bobby Ayala of course!
Ayala had to have compromising photos of Pinella right? That dude was TERRIBLE. :lol:

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by DavidGee24 » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:31 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 1:07 am
DavidGee24 wrote:
Thu Nov 20, 2025 7:48 pm
The first thing I would do is take Dave Valle off the list. Seems that the guy felt like he had to put three catchers on there even though we've only had two catchers of significance in franchise history.

Valle comes off the list and OPS machine Ken Phelps goes on it.
How about scrap iron, you know stinson is credited with 3.2 bWAR in 1978. How can you retro grade a season for a player, particularly a catcher, and an outlier like that.
He's an underrated Mariner, that's for sure. I remember that for the first couple years he was a pretty good hitter. Give me Scrap Iron at his best over Valle any day.

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by DavidGee24 » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:36 pm

57reasons wrote:
Fri Nov 21, 2025 5:33 am
Where are Orlando Mercado, Johnny Moses and Lenny Randle - how could they be left out? and Bobby Ayala of course!
Funny thing about Ayala is that even at his worst in 1998, Norm Charlton was worse in 1997 and might have had the worst season for a relief pitcher in Mariners history although the worst WAR belonged to 1980 Byron McLaughlin.

Also, while Mercado and Moses might well have been our worst catcher and outfielder who played in at least 100 games for us, the infield spot has to go to Pete O'Brien.

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Re: Top 50 M's

Post by D-train » Fri Nov 21, 2025 11:44 pm

In 1992 Jeff Schaefer hit .122 with a .325 OPS and -0.7 WAR

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... je01.shtml
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