Death to the Piggy back

[DavidGee24]

Fact is Suzuki could be available and becomes a mariner, and on the other hand it's possible Castillo is no longer on the mariners roster post trade deadline. It's not really necessary to combine the two in a fantasy trade for that to happen.

As I read it, Suzuki is not that highly valued in Chicago, they have other pieces, offense isn't their problem, they really need pitching. He's on an expiring contract. Castillo is going to have value around the league. There's teams in need of pitching.

There's a need for pitching, and a need for good pitching. That's like us pursuing Nick Castellanos because we need "hitting".

Please Castillo isn't Nick Castellanos. You think if the mariners released Castillo he isn't claimed pretty quickly? And the thing about him is he stays healthy. He's a innings eater, and that does have value. That's what really kept Dipoto from trading him over the off season, fear of injuries

Okay, I'll admit to a little exaggeration there, but Castillo has a WAR of -0.9, an ERA of 5.22 and a WHIP of 1.401 while pitching half his games in the best pitcher's park in baseball. And "innings eater" means the same thing that "game manager" does in football, it's a backhanded compliment.

If the Mariners released Castillo, of course someone would take a chance on him, they'd only have to pay him a mere pittance while the Mariners foot most of the bill.

[DavidGee24]

I'd say trading Castillo would be less outrageous than the Robbie Ray trade. A Castillo trade would be expected

Considering that they signed Rob Ray to a big contract, didn't get anything close to the Cy Young winner he'd been the previous year despite being a lefty pitching half his games at T-Mobile, gave up the bomb in the playoffs to Alvarez that killed us, then got traded for another year of Mitch Haniger's corpse, we'd probably have to trade Castillo for Rob Refsnyder's twin brother and bat them 1st and 5th for the rest of the season to top that.

[Donn Beach]

Exactly, what Dipoto needs now is the roster spot for his rotation. Trading him for Refsnyders twin brother if he happened to be right handed wouldn't be a bad idea seems to me if it meant not having to piggyback Miller. He got Ray traded and he could get Castillo traded. It will be interesting what he does. I guess he could trade Gilbert and leave Castillo in the rotation, would that be preferable?

[Seattle or Bust]

^^^ This is the trade you were mocking me for being pathetic fan trade... or whatever... and Darren apparently pointing out how much of a joke it was. Geno went for a WAY worse package. And like 2 weeks ago you told me that everyone here "basically had an idea of what players were going to go for Geno." Clearly not you Lurch considering what I screen shotted in the previous post.

That's irrelevant as at the time Hancock was looking like a total bust. NEXT

And don't take it from me fuck face, take it from a Cubs beat writer... "The Cubs have enough outfield depth options after a Suzuki trade; Matt Shaw would take over in right. If the 25-year-old is able to tap into his raw power consistently, he could become a 30+ home run threat."

I didn't say that he couldn't be replaced, and Shaw might end up being a good player. Conforto though? He sucks. He apparently had a bit of a hot streak but has gone 1-21 since and it sounds like the beat writer, like you, is trying to convince himself more than anything. But that's not even the point, of course Suzuki can be replaced, the point is that unless the Cubs' GM is a complete idiot, he's not going to trade Suzuki for someone like Castillo.

1) Not irrelevant at all. Even if you took Hancock off that trade, Peete went to the Cardinals as a primary trade piece for Brendan Donovan. He alone was worth way more than Cranston and Burgos... 2x nothing relievers. The trade I proposed was way more than what ended up happening... yet you always mocked me for underpaying for Geno in my trades... you then pivoted and said, "I thought they would have gotten more." How cowardice of you to still not admit that you were way wrong and grandstand about my trade proposals when you were wrong, Lurch.

2) No, instead, without knowing Conforto's stats... you mocked my suggestion, focused completely on Conforto, AND completely ignored that I said both he AND Shaw would play a role in replacing Suzuki's production in RF.

And again, this is all under the umbrella of the Cubs not having the prospects to trade for a frontline starter. They are going to have to trade from their lineup to address landing some pitching and Suzuki makes the most sense to move.

No team is giving up front-line starting pitching for a 2-month rental not named Juan Soto anyways. And there are no contending teams other than the Mariners who can afford to trade off an MLB starter (that the Cubs desperately need) for a rental.

[Seattle or Bust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV20O8DEN0

And here's Divish telling Puck they could maybe do a 1:1 trade Castillo for Suzuki if the M's eat $5 to $10 Million... noting that the Cubs are desperate for starting pitching.

But those moronic fan trades...

[DavidGee24]

1) Not irrelevant at all. Even if you took Hancock off that trade, Peete went to the Cardinals as a primary trade piece for Brendan Donovan. He alone was worth way more than Cranston and Burgos... 2x nothing relievers. The trade I proposed was way more than what ended up happening... yet you always mocked me for underpaying for Geno in my trades... you then pivoted and said, "I thought they would have gotten more." How cowardice of you to still not admit that you were way wrong and grandstand about my trade proposals when you were wrong, Lurch.

That is true, you did overstate the pieces that we ended up trading for Suarez. That just means that the Arizona GM is an idiot who overestimated what he was getting in return and you "pulled a Homer" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvnbDLs_M3A. You being you, I'm going to do my good deed for the day and acknowledge that even a blind squirrel finds his nuts. Congrats.

2) No, instead, without knowing Conforto's stats... you mocked my suggestion, focused completely on Conforto, AND completely ignored that I said both he AND Shaw would play a role in replacing Suzuki's production in RF.

I did acknowledge Shaw. Scroll up. See? And I've followed Conforto's career, I didn't have to spend a half an hour furiously looking up stats.

And just so you know, if a Castillo/Suzuki trade does happen (and I sure hope it does), I'll man up and acknowledge that you called it.