Young for Marte?

[bpj]

And since the Mariners were a couple innings away from the World Series, doesn't it make more sense to take the steps to add someone ESPN just said was the best second baseman in MLB now and worry about his possible future decline
later? Or should we all be like Jerry and be happy as long as the M's play a few meaningful games in August and have a few prospects that MIGHT contribute some day?

THIS. That was the point I was trying to make. Saving a few bucks so that instead of stepping forward and maybe winning a ring? They can continue to struggle to stay in the WildCard and hope to strike Gold at the trade deadline. The track record shows that plan is more likely to result in just missing the playoffs than advancing to the World Series...but we continue to bang on that drum.

It's a good point.

Plus it feels like we have about six Cole Young's in the system right now...

Emerson did have a nice swing the one clip I've seen. Neither seem like guys we should be catapulting to MLB in their early 20's though.

[bhofferb]

5 years or so ago, Jerry wouldn't have dreamed of trading Kelenic for an established major leaguer and we know how that turned out...

[D-train]

Example #57 about the M's being Cheap AF.

[Donn Beach]

The cheap narrative doesn't really make sense with the Marte deal.

[bpj]

The cheap narrative doesn't really make sense with the Marte deal.

He's not a Mariner.

For all we know they'd have given up Cole Young in a heartbeat and the real reason they turned it down was the Dbacks wouldn't throw in enough cash.

[bpj]

Example #57 about the M's being Cheap AF.

I thought avoiding free agency the past ten years was supposed to help us keep these guys around by avoiding "the crest".

[Donn Beach]

This is kinda interesting, Young can't hit a fastball

https://sodomojo.com/cole-young-needs-a ... e=v_recirc

[D-train]

This is kinda interesting, Young can't hit a fastball

https://sodomojo.com/cole-young-needs-a ... e=v_recirc

His D was horrible last season as well.

[Donn Beach]

but the Mariners obviously have a different opinion.

Yep, that opinion is he costs less and IF he becomes a good hitter they can puff their chest out about how he was home grown.

Getting production out of cheaper players is a core part of the strategy. You may not like it, but that's what they're doing. Saying they want to be able to brag about the player being home grown, I guess maybe that could come into it a little bit. But I think the main thing is that they look at the player and what they think he can do for a minimal cost for the next 2-3 seasons, at least until he's Arb 1.

Marte, on the other hand, comes with a cost. Not only would he cost you that cheap asset, but he brings a significant payroll commitment for what will probably be declining production and an increasing defensive liability over the next five seasons. But you could get 1 or 2 really good seasons out of him. That has to be acknowledged.

Sorry but I can't let this go. This isn't what it was about. They weren't choosing between Marte and Young. If they preferred young over marte then why were they entering into negotiations to trade for marte in the first place? That's why the cheap narrative doesn't fit. They were interested in trading for marte but didn't want to give up young. They wanted them both. What were they going to do with marte? He has played other positions.

[D-train]

Yep, that opinion is he costs less and IF he becomes a good hitter they can puff their chest out about how he was home grown.

Getting production out of cheaper players is a core part of the strategy. You may not like it, but that's what they're doing. Saying they want to be able to brag about the player being home grown, I guess maybe that could come into it a little bit. But I think the main thing is that they look at the player and what they think he can do for a minimal cost for the next 2-3 seasons, at least until he's Arb 1.

Marte, on the other hand, comes with a cost. Not only would he cost you that cheap asset, but he brings a significant payroll commitment for what will probably be declining production and an increasing defensive liability over the next five seasons. But you could get 1 or 2 really good seasons out of him. That has to be acknowledged.

Sorry but I can't let this go. This isn't what it was about. They weren't choosing between Marte and Young. If they preferred young over marte then why were they entering into negotiations to trade for marte in the first place? That's why the cheap narrative doesn't fit. They were interested in trading for marte but didn't want to give up young. They wanted them both. What were they going to do with marte? He has played other positions.

Since 2021 when he played 71 games in CF he has been a 2B and DH. Cole can only play 2B. Doesn't make sense that they would want both. Young would have been blocked for years. He has NEVER played RF or LF.