I fear Julio is forever ruined...

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by Peepaw » Tue Jun 30, 2026 6:43 pm

Julio Cedeno

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by bpj » Tue Jun 30, 2026 7:07 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 4:08 pm
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We thought we were getting Griffey and we ended up with Cameron. Not bad, but not franchise altering.
He's definitely not Griffey but Julio is a far superior hitter to Cameron.
Cameron .249/.338/.444, 106 OPS+
Julio .272/.329/.463, 127 OPS+

Julio is also only 25 and not in his physical prime yet. Cameron through age 25 was at .229/.315/.376 with an OPS+ of 83. Julio already has 24.8 WAR. if he puts up 40 WAR like Mike Cameron did after the age of 25 He will be a hall of famer.
That's the biggest thing about Julio is remembering he's just now about the age most guys first come up to MLB.

He's a guy who actually still has a lot of time.

My only gripe is they gave up the cheap early years to get an extension signed. But, it's obvious they wouldn't reinvest those dollars into other upgrades anyways, so whatever.

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by bpj » Tue Jun 30, 2026 7:11 pm

Peepaw wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 6:43 pm
Julio Cedeno
:D

I wonder who his closest historical comp actually is based on his current numbers and their numbers through age 25.

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Jun 30, 2026 7:19 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 3:57 pm
There is no statistical evidence that Julio is "the opposite of clutch" or that he struggles in leverage situations. His career batting average overall is .272. and his OPS is .792
Here are his numbers in clutch situations...
Runners in scoring position .272/.797
Men on base .284/.846
2 outs and runners in scoring position.270/ .820
Late and Close .275/ .808
Tie Game .292/ .816
Post Season .211/ .804

Really the only thing that could even remotely be used as an argument for him being bad in clutch situations is his post season batting average. but he has made up for that with a post season OPS that is above his career number.
It has been pointed out that Julio is usually abysmal in what are called "high leverage" situations. This season in those situations his OPS is only .630, plus there's the eye test. How many times have we seen him come up to bat in those situations and just have a total low-IQ at-bat? What he did as the final out last year might well have been the worst final at-bat of a season ever, swinging at six straight pitches well out of the strike zone.

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by Peepaw » Wed Jul 01, 2026 12:17 am

bpj wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 7:11 pm
Peepaw wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 6:43 pm
Julio Cedeno
:D

I wonder who his closest historical comp actually is based on his current numbers and their numbers through age 25.
I don't know if Julio actually measures up to Cesar in his first few years.

Was actually also pondering Cal Zunino. Btw, what's Mike's number? We could send it to the management.

Betcha Cal and family are happy he wasn't a contract holdout!

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Re: I fear Julio is forever ruined...

Post by bpj » Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:26 am

Peepaw wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2026 12:17 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 7:11 pm
Peepaw wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2026 6:43 pm
Julio Cedeno
:D

I wonder who his closest historical comp actually is based on his current numbers and their numbers through age 25.
I don't know if Julio actually measures up to Cesar in his first few years.

Was actually also pondering Cal Zunino. Btw, what's Mike's number? We could send it to the management.

Betcha Cal and family are happy he wasn't a contract holdout!
No kidding...

Cal's kind of right in the middle. If he'd waited one year, hit 60 HR's and then signed... he probably could have cashed in a bit more this past offseason. But now...?

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