Poll on Ichiro

Where do you stand on Ichiro?

Ichiro was a Hall of Fame player why are we even discussing this.
10
56%
Ichiro was over hyped and not traded away soon enough.
8
44%
 
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 pm

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Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:50 pm
Ichiro was purposely a slap hitter. Even though he was right-handed, he learned to bat left just to get to first faster. Singles were all he wanted. If he wanted any power, he would have been a switch hitter.
Seager is a right handed thrower with pretty good power hitting left handed. One of hundreds of examples.
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by BaseHitDerby » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:38 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 pm
Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:50 pm
Ichiro was purposely a slap hitter. Even though he was right-handed, he learned to bat left just to get to first faster. Singles were all he wanted. If he wanted any power, he would have been a switch hitter.
Seager is a right handed thrower with pretty good power hitting left handed. One of hundreds of examples.
According to some people, Ichi could've been a home run hitting power hitter if he wanted to.

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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by Happy as hell » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:40 pm

D-train wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 pm
Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:50 pm
Ichiro was purposely a slap hitter. Even though he was right-handed, he learned to bat left just to get to first faster. Singles were all he wanted. If he wanted any power, he would have been a switch hitter.
Seager is a right handed thrower with pretty good power hitting left handed. One of hundreds of examples.
True, but Seager is a hefty guy who bats left to take on RH pitchers. He isn’t a runt whose main offensive asset is speed. I reiterate that Ichiro was a singles specialist on purpose.

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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:45 pm

Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:40 pm
D-train wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 pm
Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:50 pm
Ichiro was purposely a slap hitter. Even though he was right-handed, he learned to bat left just to get to first faster. Singles were all he wanted. If he wanted any power, he would have been a switch hitter.
Seager is a right handed thrower with pretty good power hitting left handed. One of hundreds of examples.
True, but Seager is a hefty guy who bats left to take on RH pitchers. He isn’t a runt whose main offensive asset is speed. I reiterate that Ichiro was a singles specialist on purpose.
Thats like saying Walter Jones was an offensive lineman on purpose. If he was 120 lbs lighter and ran a 4.4 forty he would have been a WR.
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by Happy as hell » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:54 pm

My point is that Ichiro only cared about hits. Setting hitting records. He could give a rats ass about helping the team. I remember him slap hitting into double plays when a sac fly could score a critical run.

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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:00 pm

Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:54 pm
My point is that Ichiro only cared about hits. Setting hitting records. He could give a rats ass about helping the team. I remember him slap hitting into double plays when a sac fly could score a critical run.
Oh sorry, I was missing your point completely. I couldn't agree more. The most perfect example of that was when he bunted with two outs and a guy on second just to get a hit. Had no concern about getting the guy home.
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by Happy as hell » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:36 am

A number of people criticized him as a “selfish” player. I think that is accurate and it is why I think he is no hall of famer. I remember his relentless pursuit of Sisler’s single season record. Big deal. I think the reason he hung on for so long is that he thought he had a chance at the career hits record. No way.

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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by D-train » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:44 am

Happy as hell wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:36 am
A number of people criticized him as a “selfish” player. I think that is accurate and it is why I think he is no hall of famer. I remember his relentless pursuit of Sisler’s single season record. Big deal. I think the reason he hung on for so long is that he thought he had a chance at the career hits record. No way.
Of course we lost 99 games the year he got that record. Talk about meaningless. Also, don't forget that team mates wanted to kick his ass.
And it was a clubhouse in need of some direction, given the problems engulfing it as the season came undone. When it came to Ichiro, who got off to a typically slow start in April and part of May, the internal turmoil nearly hit its boiling point.

“I just can’t believe the number of guys who really dislike him,” said one clubhouse insider. “It got to a point early on when I thought they were going to get together and go after him.”

The coaching staff and then-manager John McLaren intervened when one player was overheard talking — in reference to Ichiro — about wanting to “knock him out.” A team meeting was called to clear the air.

Now, you might wonder, what could Ichiro have done to foster such open anger? Clearly, he must have offended someone pretty severely.

Ichiro this year had to battle a midseason hamstring problem, and he was shifted from center field back to right because McLaren thought Ichiro was a better defender in the corner. While Ichiro is said to have recovered from his injury, his stolen-base totals dropped as the season progressed. He also did not get to some balls in the gap and the right-field corner at times, prompting more clubhouse complaints that he cared only about piling up hits instead of sitting out to heal properly.
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by Hanjag » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:06 am

Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:54 pm
My point is that Ichiro only cared about hits. Setting hitting records. He could give a rats ass about helping the team. I remember him slap hitting into double plays when a sac fly could score a critical run.
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Re: Poll on Ichiro

Post by Happy as hell » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:46 pm

Hanjag wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:06 am
Happy as hell wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:54 pm
My point is that Ichiro only cared about hits. Setting hitting records. He could give a rats ass about helping the team. I remember him slap hitting into double plays when a sac fly could score a critical run.
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