Jennings waived Haynes activated

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by ThePro » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:21 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:49 pm
ThePro wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:35 pm

Best player available. If there is a TE rated high on their board when they draft it could happen. TE is a important position in the offense. They could also trade for OJ Howard. Dissly could be injury prone. There is uncertainty just like with Carson.
At least making that decision after two season ending injuries makes more sense. I like drafting BPA, but not if it makes no sense to what your team needs. I think we would have been getting more out of Will Hernandez than Penny. And, if we were going to draft the best player available with an eye to the future, wasn't that Lamar Jackson? Sacrilegious I know, because Russ is the damn MVP...but at the time we were discussing can you pay your QB and still surround him with talent? I didn't think we'd take Jackson, but when he was there I was curious how much that was discussed.
ThePro wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:35 pm
Your logic makes no sense. RB is a important position in Hawks offense more so than TE or WR. They needed a dependable starter there especially after getting burned by Thomas Rawls and Lacy one season before. Penny was high on their draft board and they took him. Exact thing could happen at TE. They don't go we need to replace a 6th rounder with a 6th rounder. It's a position of importance.
QB is important in this offense too, as is LT and WR. How many first round picks have we used to back up those positions?

First of all, I have said this is all hindsight is twenty twenty...but a team with holes can't draft a guy to be the backup tailback. I get it, that isn't why they drafted him, but doesn't that make it even worse? I can tell you I had great intentions to work hard today, but here I am already typing on a sports forum! They could have had great intentions for the pick, doesn't make it a good one. A GM and President of Football operations are paid to build a team, not make excuses for why failed first round picks actually made sense at the time. Guys that fail get fired, all of them had reasons for why they made the decisions they did. Answers, not excuses. PC and JS aren't making excuses, but there are sure a lot being made for them by fans.

I realize Penny was high on their board, I just don't think he should have been. I have posted from just one single article what this team thought about Chris Carson. I read it ALL SUMMER LONG the year after he was drafted in the last round. I didn't buy it, more smoke being blown by this organization and Mr Sunshine himself Pete Carroll. But Baldwin went on and on about him, Sherman went on and on about him, the coaches did...and then he came out and looked great before getting hurt. So, we give up on the guy that was such a special talent after one injury? We have offensive lineman that miss games all the time...Penny got hurt in a damn walk through, and one injury to Carson scares us into using a first round pick for a guy that could barely get on the field the first half the season? Turns out it was the wrong move....and also appears that Chubb would have been the better option if we felt we had to have another back.
And Chubb would be backing up Carson and you would be saying we should have drafted Penny. It's not worth having this conversation. The Penny hatin' is off the charts.
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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by Michael K. » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 pm

It's not hate...and seriously, you have watched Penny play NFL football and believe that he and Chubb are equal? Then you haven't watched Chubb.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by ThePro » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 pm
It's not hate...and seriously, you have watched Penny play NFL football and believe that he and Chubb are equal? Then you haven't watched Chubb.
Penny had done things I've seen few RB do. You're just some weird kind of hater.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by Michael K. » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:05 pm

ThePro wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 pm
It's not hate...and seriously, you have watched Penny play NFL football and believe that he and Chubb are equal? Then you haven't watched Chubb.
Penny had done things I've seen few RB do. You're just some weird kind of hater.
He has done things at the Pro Level that you haven't seen FEW do? Like what?

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by 57reasons » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:27 pm
ThePro wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:24 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:04 pm
Better draft a TE first in next year's draft. We just lost one for the season.
They might
So, the answer to replacing a sixth round tailback that got hurt was to draft one in the first round, and now the answer to replacing a 4th round TE is to draft one in the 1st round?

You are right, they might, and if they use a first round pick and he sits behind Dissley for two years....it will be a mistake. But at least we will then have the tailback, DE and TE of the future.
Actually it is much easier to utilize 2 TEs without overlap than it is 2 RBs unless you're running the Wishbone. Hawks would love to run more double tights this year but cant due to injuries, so if there is another Noah Fant out there to be had late 1st (good luck with that) then i could see it. still rather take a stud lineman on either side, just dont panic and reach for another Collier, especially when a Winovich is still on the board.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by Michael K. » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:42 pm

57reasons wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:25 pm

Actually it is much easier to utilize 2 TEs without overlap than it is 2 RBs unless you're running the Wishbone. Hawks would love to run more double tights this year but cant due to injuries, so if there is another Noah Fant out there to be had late 1st (good luck with that) then i could see it. still rather take a stud lineman on either side, just dont panic and reach for another Collier, especially when a Winovich is still on the board.
Great point. I was more using it as an example. It just seemed odd to decide that one injury took Carson from being the savior to being expendable.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by ThePro » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:36 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:05 pm
ThePro wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 pm
It's not hate...and seriously, you have watched Penny play NFL football and believe that he and Chubb are equal? Then you haven't watched Chubb.
Penny had done things I've seen few RB do. You're just some weird kind of hater.
He has done things at the Pro Level that you haven't seen FEW do? Like what?
Cuts and explosion. . elite. If you can't see this. You don't know what you ate looking at.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by ThePro » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:40 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:05 pm
ThePro wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:53 pm


Penny had done things I've seen few RB do. You're just some weird kind of hater.
He has done things at the Pro Level that you haven't seen FEW do? Like what?
Cuts and explosion. . elite. If you can't see this. You don't know what you ate looking at.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by Michael K. » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:45 am

Apparently his coaches don't know what they are looking at either. I guess they just don't know as much about what makes an elite NFL RB as you do? Good grief.

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Re: Jennings waived Haynes activated

Post by ThePro » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 am

Michael K. wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:45 am
Apparently his coaches don't know what they are looking at either. I guess they just don't know as much about what makes an elite NFL RB as you do? Good grief.
You have a misconception about how players get playing time. They aren't going to unseat a veteran playing at a high level because of draft status. It's just not going to happen unless there is a injury or a huge drop off in production.

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