Mariners minors. Thread for interesting news and stats.

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Post by D-train » Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:49 pm

So in the next 4 months can't another team just offer him more money and we lose him? They act like its a lock but it isn't even a lock when Highschool kids make verbal commits to colleges....so what gives?
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Post by Donn Beach » Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pm

All I can say is thinking it's more than money, these aren't really bidding wars as I see it. Think it really comes down to building relationships
. Celesten, according to every scouting director I surveyed, is on the Mount Rushmore of international free agent shortstops available over the last decade. While Wander Franco was the unanimous “top shortstop prospect available” on the international free agent market since 2013, one director believed Celesten to be the next-best. The other directors had him fitting in somewhere in a pool of Franco, Marco Luciano and Orelvis Martinez.

In any case, it’s high company; a highly decorated group of prospects.

It was made pretty clear Celesten has arguably the greatest upside of any player in next year’s class.

“(Celesten) would be on the short list of best prospects to come by way of international signings over the last decade,” one AL director said. “The (Francisco) Lindor comps made some sense, but then he grew five inches. It’s like Didi Gregorious now, but with next-level athleticism and defensive traits. It’s legitimately plus across the whole board. There isn’t really an appropriate comparison right now.”

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Post by desbcoach » Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:34 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pm
All I can say is thinking it's more than money, these aren't really bidding wars as I see it. Think it really comes down to building relationships
. Celesten, according to every scouting director I surveyed, is on the Mount Rushmore of international free agent shortstops available over the last decade. While Wander Franco was the unanimous “top shortstop prospect available” on the international free agent market since 2013, one director believed Celesten to be the next-best. The other directors had him fitting in somewhere in a pool of Franco, Marco Luciano and Orelvis Martinez.

In any case, it’s high company; a highly decorated group of prospects.

It was made pretty clear Celesten has arguably the greatest upside of any player in next year’s class.

“(Celesten) would be on the short list of best prospects to come by way of international signings over the last decade,” one AL director said. “The (Francisco) Lindor comps made some sense, but then he grew five inches. It’s like Didi Gregorious now, but with next-level athleticism and defensive traits. It’s legitimately plus across the whole board. There isn’t really an appropriate comparison right now.”
Julio and family have stated many times it was the relationship and Mariners trust in treating him correctly, even said he was offered more from a couple other,teams

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Post by GL_Storm » Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:58 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:49 pm
So in the next 4 months can't another team just offer him more money and we lose him? They act like its a lock but it isn't even a lock when Highschool kids make verbal commits to colleges....so what gives?
It's not a lock in the legal sense, but these verbal agreements tend to stick. It's how the system has evolved in the DR with the Buscones having this really outsized influence on what teams players sign with. That's not to say that players and their families don't have any say, but the Buscones are sort of the front door to the players is how I understand it.

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Post by GL_Storm » Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:00 pm

desbcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:34 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pm
All I can say is thinking it's more than money, these aren't really bidding wars as I see it. Think it really comes down to building relationships
. Celesten, according to every scouting director I surveyed, is on the Mount Rushmore of international free agent shortstops available over the last decade. While Wander Franco was the unanimous “top shortstop prospect available” on the international free agent market since 2013, one director believed Celesten to be the next-best. The other directors had him fitting in somewhere in a pool of Franco, Marco Luciano and Orelvis Martinez.

In any case, it’s high company; a highly decorated group of prospects.

It was made pretty clear Celesten has arguably the greatest upside of any player in next year’s class.

“(Celesten) would be on the short list of best prospects to come by way of international signings over the last decade,” one AL director said. “The (Francisco) Lindor comps made some sense, but then he grew five inches. It’s like Didi Gregorious now, but with next-level athleticism and defensive traits. It’s legitimately plus across the whole board. There isn’t really an appropriate comparison right now.”
Julio and family have stated many times it was the relationship and Mariners trust in treating him correctly, even said he was offered more from a couple other,teams
With Celestin, the Mariners have committed $4.5 million I believe, so it probably does have a lot to do with the money. They made that verbal commitment when the player was 13 or 14, probably 14.

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Post by D-train » Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:06 pm

They offered me $35 when I was 12 yo. Should have taken it...
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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:34 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:00 pm
desbcoach wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:34 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:21 pm
All I can say is thinking it's more than money, these aren't really bidding wars as I see it. Think it really comes down to building relationships

Julio and family have stated many times it was the relationship and Mariners trust in treating him correctly, even said he was offered more from a couple other,teams
With Celestin, the Mariners have committed $4.5 million I believe, so it probably does have a lot to do with the money. They made that verbal commitment when the player was 13 or 14, probably 14.
Yeah, there is certainly money involved but the offer doesn't get shopped.

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Post by D-train » Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:58 pm

Interesting. Thanks all.
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Post by Donn Beach » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:10 pm

I've posted this before, the story behind them landing Felix. Might apply in a general way or maybe not

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Post by ice99 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:35 pm

They should promote Robert Perez Jr, if they're going to protect him for the rule 5.

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