Way too early offseason

[GL_Storm]

Skubal will probably get traded but he isn't coming here. My guess is Yankees or Giants, maybe the Red Sox or Rangers.

It will be the dodgers and they will extend him, Boras has the dodgers on speed dial lol

No, I don't think it will be the Dodgers.

[GL_Storm]

Arozarena has one more year of team control. It's right there in Baseball-Reference. He's a 3-4 WAR player. If they want to move him, he'll have a market, and there's a reasonable case for making that move.

Yes but for who. Any chance Cleveland would take him for Kwan. I so want him. The dude does not strikeout & gets on base. You trade for Kwan, re-sign Naylor there's your 1-2 then you get into Cal & Julio 3-4. Definitely gotta be in the market for another leadoff guy here. Randy clearly didn't work.

No, there's no chance of that, not for RA. If you want Kwan it will take something else. Maybe some kind of prospect package? But I've never heard that Cleveland has any interest in trading Kwan.

[Millikin]

There's been a lot of rumors about Kwan getting moved, back at the trading deadline and during this offseason

Example (this article even mentions the Mariners as possible destination) :
https://www.si.com/mlb/guardians/news/t ... k6prg2mz56

[Donn Beach]

What's the big deal with Kwan leadoff? I see the same obp as Arozarena

Did you watch Randy hit in the playoffs. Enough said. Dude couldn't hit a beach ball with a wiffle bat. Sorry. I need contact. I gotta have more contact. Throw Naylor up there I don't care. Randy has no business batting leadoff. If we can find a taker for Randy I'm shipping him off in a heartbeat. Nuff said.

Enough said? You didn't answers my question, what's special about Kwang? I see what seems a talented defensive player, nothing about his offense jumps out to me particularly, what's special about him?

it's difficult to justify especially with how streaky Kwan looked at points this year. In the last week of the regular season, and his three playoff games Kwan hit just 7-for-39, (.179 batting average) and had only a handful of extra base hits.

The Guardians have always been able to produce contact hitters, what they are in desperate need of is power from a corner outfield spot. All of those guys have yet to prove it consistently, but you have to give them time to see pitching regularly, and Kwan might just be the odd man out come April 1st

Seems like another Arozarena to me but with less power

[Donn Beach]

Arozarena has one more year of team control. It's right there in Baseball-Reference. He's a 3-4 WAR player. If they want to move him, he'll have a market, and there's a reasonable case for making that move.

And they wouldn't be offer him a QO if it was available. They would be on the hook for $23mil?

The QO doesn't come into it. He's going into his Arb3 year. Spotrac right now estimates he'll make 16m which is probably in the ballpark of where he'll end up. If the M's don't want to pay that they can trade him or non-tender him. I think there's a good chance they'll move him, especially if they want to sign Naylor, but that's just a guess on my part.

It came into it because big maple brought it up. Just in terms of understanding how a QO works Arozarena would never get offered one, certainly not by the mariners

[GL_Storm]

I've said in other threads that I think Kirby could be moved, and I still think that could happen. I think there's likely to be a lot of player movement in the offseason, in part because of the looming possibility of a really ugly work stoppage, but also because it's been a while since we've had a whole lot of players move via trades. I think there's a lot of pressure on the fault lines of the league. When was the last time we saw a 3-team deal with actual major leaguers changing teams? Maybe it starts with a conversation at the winter meetings about Arozarena and then it just kind of snowballs with multiple teams involved and different players going back and forth, and that's how Kirby gets looped in. You could also see a player like JP get caught up in that. I don't think they're gonna shop JP, but his name could come up when GM's are swapping names and putting packages together, if that actually happens.

[D-train]

I know where everyone's pessimism is coming from though - I share it too. Realistically we:

Let Suarez walk
Lose Naylor to FA
Lose Polanco to FA

We put Williamson at 3B
Keep Randy
Keep pitching staff as it is
Sign someone to start the year at 2B while waiting for Emerson to be ready to take it over
Sign someone to platoon with Raley at 1B
Sign a bullpen arm or two.
Keep Robles to platoon with Canzone

Keep payroll in the 150-160 range. We keep the status quo and realize this year was lightening in a bottle while the team/fo try to remain 'competitive'.

Can always hope it changes though - maybe Stanton wakes up and realizes as I said before - i'm f'ing 70+ what am I going to do with my billions when I die in 10-15 years - I'd love to die the owner that brought a WS to Seattle... can always hope....

This is the most likely outcome though they will try Cole Young at 2B again. Not going to bail on one of their prized prospects. Btw Kelenic is a FA.

[D-train]

Arozarena has one more year of team control. It's right there in Baseball-Reference. He's a 3-4 WAR player. If they want to move him, he'll have a market, and there's a reasonable case for making that move.

Yes but for who. Any chance Cleveland would take him for Kwan. I so want him. The dude does not strikeout & gets on base. You trade for Kwan, re-sign Naylor there's your 1-2 then you get into Cal & Julio 3-4. Definitely gotta be in the market for another leadoff guy here. Randy clearly didn't work.

No, there's no chance of that, not for RA. If you want Kwan it will take something else. Maybe some kind of prospect package? But I've never heard that Cleveland has any interest in trading Kwan.

Hilarious how the grass is always greener. Kwan had a .330 OBP and a .705 OPS. Randy had a .334 OBP and a .760 OPS.

[Big_Maple]

This is the most likely outcome though they will try Cole Young at 2B again. Not going to bail on one of their prized prospects. Btw Kelenic is a FA.

Someone will take a chance on Kelenic. Why not? Pay him league minimum to scare all the water coolers in the dugout.

His career is over - a highly touted prospect who flamed out in the majors. Shades of Dustin Ackley. I'm just glad Dipoto got rid of him when he did - likely one of his better moves (addition by subtraction).

I see that Kazuma Okamoto will be posted. This is a guy I think we should go after for the hot corner. He is apparently a better hitter than Ohtani was when he played in Japan (indicating how difficult it can be to predict how well players will adjust to MLB). He's a "six-time All-Star with two Gold Gloves and three NPB home run titles to his name" and has a career slash line of .277/.361/.521 .

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/10/ ... wtab-en-us

He'll be aggressively pursued by just about every club out there who doesn't sign Bregman, but I actually don't see a reason why the M's can't land him.

Last year I advocated for the M's to go after Jung Hoo Lee. Folks expressed legitimate concerns over his lack of pop and how well he'd adjust to hitting in MLB, but in an injury-shortened 2025 season with the Giants, he batted a respectable .266 and posted a 110 OPS+. Okamoto seems like he has the glove and the power plus a low strike out rate to fit into the M's lineup.

For keystone - why not bring Cano back? In 2024 he batted .431 in the Mexican league and a 1.114 OPS.

[Donn Beach]

These days the Mariners probably shy away from posting fees. Though I don't know if there's a way to predict what their approach could be going forward. They could be feeling more confident in their financial situation