8/18 Mariners Sniffing 9 Games Over, Again vs. Rangers Game Thread

[Captain 97]

Few games they were only in because of Toro so

Name one.
There isn't a game they won that they would have lost without his bat. he hit Home runs in two games that we lost and his 3rd home run was a solo shot in a game we won by 2 runs. He has 8 RBI 6 of which came in losses 1 was the a fore mentioned solo homer in the 4-2 game and the 8th RBI came in a 9-3 win. He has scored 11 runs. 4 of those came in losses, and the rest came in wins of 9-5, 8-2 4-2 and 2-0.

Again, WAY too simplistic to say the you can just extract his bat and the game would have gone exactly the same way minus his contributions. Every action has a reaction. Every outcome from his ABs created a new scenario.

Your right of course but its far more accurate than saying they would have the exact same record like PBJ seems to think we would. Blown saves are pretty quantifiable as are game winning runs and RBI. The evidence indicates that they would have a better record without the trade.
If you want to say that the the other players might not have done as well without Toro in the lineup that's fine. I'll just pull the Michael K and say they would have performed better without the distraction of the trade. That point is equally as valid.

[desbcoach]

Name one.
There isn't a game they won that they would have lost without his bat. he hit Home runs in two games that we lost and his 3rd home run was a solo shot in a game we won by 2 runs. He has 8 RBI 6 of which came in losses 1 was the a fore mentioned solo homer in the 4-2 game and the 8th RBI came in a 9-3 win. He has scored 11 runs. 4 of those came in losses, and the rest came in wins of 9-5, 8-2 4-2 and 2-0.

Again, WAY too simplistic to say the you can just extract his bat and the game would have gone exactly the same way minus his contributions. Every action has a reaction. Every outcome from his ABs created a new scenario.

Your right of course but its far more accurate than saying they would have the exact same record like PBJ seems to think we would. Blown saves are pretty quantifiable as are game winning runs and RBI. The evidence indicates that they would have a better record without the trade.
If you want to say that the the other players might not have done as well without Toro in the lineup that's fine. I'll just pull the Michael K and say they would have performed better without the distraction of the trade. That point is equally as valid.

Lol , none of it is valid!! Graveman could have tore a nail or had a bad night/unavailable for some reason. We don’t have the alternate universe or a time machine so it is what it is and speculation is just that speculation!!!! We will never know, I mean what if we drafted Trout instead of Angels and got Shoehai, would we be wasting them too. It is done and over silly arguement at this point

[bpj]

Name one.
There isn't a game they won that they would have lost without his bat. he hit Home runs in two games that we lost and his 3rd home run was a solo shot in a game we won by 2 runs. He has 8 RBI 6 of which came in losses 1 was the a fore mentioned solo homer in the 4-2 game and the 8th RBI came in a 9-3 win. He has scored 11 runs. 4 of those came in losses, and the rest came in wins of 9-5, 8-2 4-2 and 2-0.

Again, WAY too simplistic to say the you can just extract his bat and the game would have gone exactly the same way minus his contributions. Every action has a reaction. Every outcome from his ABs created a new scenario.

Your right of course but its far more accurate than saying they would have the exact same record like PBJ seems to think we would. Blown saves are pretty quantifiable as are game winning runs and RBI. The evidence indicates that they would have a better record without the trade.
If you want to say that the the other players might not have done as well without Toro in the lineup that's fine. I'll just pull the Michael K and say they would have performed better without the distraction of the trade. That point is equally as valid.

I didn't say that.

I said this-

They probably would be at least a game or two better in the standings.

I do not care. Like I said in another post, I wouldn't trade 5 years of Toro back to them for a couple wins in the win column.

They said they couldn't use Graveman on back to back nights. He wouldn't have even been available every game and Chargois is basic.

They had some team adjustments after the trade, but they've been playing at a .750 win percentage in their last 8 games, I think they're over it.

With Anderson, Castillo and Toro on board instead of Graveman and Chargois, we're a better team now and in the future, and thankfully, they're playing like it.

[Captain 97]

The problem with holding Graveman at the deadline and acquiring at least another bat is that while we were just 1 game out the last time we were 9 games over, this time the teams around us in the standings improved so what once was 1 game out at 9 games over is now more like 3.5 games back.

That's exactly what you said.

[bpj]

The problem with holding Graveman at the deadline and acquiring at least another bat is that while we were just 1 game out the last time we were 9 games over, this time the teams around us in the standings improved so what once was 1 game out at 9 games over is now more like 3.5 games back.

That's exactly what you said.

Do you understand what that's saying?

[Captain 97]

The problem with holding Graveman at the deadline and acquiring at least another bat is that while we were just 1 game out the last time we were 9 games over, this time the teams around us in the standings improved so what once was 1 game out at 9 games over is now more like 3.5 games back.

That's exactly what you said.

Do you understand what that's saying?

Do you?

[ddraig]

One problem I see is that the team seems to play up to the level of its competition. The Rangers have a .560 OPS as a team. That's about 100 points lower than the next lowest team.

[bpj]

That's exactly what you said.

Do you understand what that's saying?

Do you?

Yes, at the trade deadline having a record 9 games over .500 has them 1 game back of the wild card.

Now having a record 9 games over .500 will have them 3 to 4 games back of the wild card.

Because the teams around us got better.

9 games over ain't what it used to be (at the deadline).

[bpj]

One problem I see is that the team seems to play up to the level of its competition. The Rangers have a .560 OPS as a team. That's about 100 points lower than the next lowest team.

We're 30-30 against >.500 teams so our winning record is against the bums.

Hold your own against good teams and beat up on the bad ones, seems like they check that box.

[Captain 97]

Do you understand what that's saying?

Do you?

Yes, at the break, having a record 9 games over .500 has them 1 game back of the wild card.

Now having a record 9 games over .500 will have them 3 to 4 games back of the wild card.

Because the teams around us got better.

And you said "the problem with keeping Graveman" which insinuates you think we would still have a record 9 games over .500 with Graveman. If you thought we would have a better record by keeping Graveman the second part of your sentence makes no sense.