So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

[Pharmabro]

The most basic issue is adding wins, that's what war is about. Getting past looking at individual stats, combining everything to determine how many wins a player actually delivers. I don't care about home runs, or rbis, I care about who delivers wins. Rojas delivers more wins over burger in relatively the same amount of time. You don't agree with that? That's fine, just don't bring up war. You want to be old school then go for it, what kills me is the cherry picking. War is only used if it happens to agree with someone's `already preconceived opinion

And I am among many here who have stated that WAR puts too much importance on inconsistent D-Metrics.

In 2023 as you can see in Az. and Seattle Josh was worth either zero or negative runs on defensive runs saved. But after a preseason to work with Perry Hill he had + ratings at 2B and 3B. Infact; if you bother to look his whole career, he has more negative, and zero values than it does for + defense. Get Burger and I bet Perry works the same magic as he did with Saurez, and Rojas and many others before him. Jack Z tried to focus on D and run prevention. It didn't work: 2010 M's had great D
SS Josh Wilson (DFRS/year = 19) (OPS+ 62)
SS Jack Wilson (DFRS/year = 6) (OPS+ 68)
LF M. Saunders (+6 DFRS/year) (86 OPS+)
3B Jose Lopez (SFRS/Year = 10) (OPS+ 71)
1B. Casey K Defensive runs save/Year (4) (OPS+ 73) 9HR
CF F. Gutierrez (0 DEFRS/year) (87 OPS+)
RF Suzuki (SFRS/year = -1) (113 OPS+)
C Moore (-4 DFRS/year) (44 OPS+)
2B Figgins (-8 DFRS/year) (84 OPS+)

Both Cliff Lee and Felix were in the CY race that year: Felix won, Lee #7. And with 2 Aces and that D they went 61-101.

And something that should stick out to you is that both Guti and Ichiro were considered strong defenders at their positions, but this D-metric had them at zero and -1 runs saved.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Nathan you are a good guy but my God your posts are like drinking through fire hose. I usually just skip right past them. Consider being more succinct. Maybe it is just me and my ADHD.

I appreciate your comments and do not disagree. There is something funny about my eyes and the screen that we use to post. I can't really read it accurately until I post it. Which is hard to justify. I have a subscription to an editor that I use in professional communications. I don't use it for posting here because this to me this is an informal communication platform. I detect errors in other people's posts, but I accept it. I never had an issue reading Somebody's Son's posts for example. I have a professional side of my life and consider this an escape from it. Here I can cuss and be critical and argumentative but could not portray any of that in my nine to five.

And the funny thing is I saw the inconsistent bullet point order, and the typos. And I said to myself "It's good enough, they'll figure it out."

Cheers

[Pharmabro]

I did see this today:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/se ... 7216e&ei=9

Justin Hollander had positive news on Matt Brash's injury, He gave a timeline of April to early May. I know recovery and rehab timelines can vary over time but that is good news to hear.

[D-train]

And I am among many here who have stated that WAR puts too much importance on inconsistent D-Metrics.

In 2023 as you can see in Az. and Seattle Josh was worth either zero or negative runs on defensive runs saved. But after a preseason to work with Perry Hill he had + ratings at 2B and 3B. Infact; if you bother to look his whole career, he has more negative, and zero values than it does for + defense. Get Burger and I bet Perry works the same magic as he did with Saurez, and Rojas and many others before him. Jack Z tried to focus on D and run prevention. It didn't work: 2010 M's had great D
SS Josh Wilson (DFRS/year = 19) (OPS+ 62)
SS Jack Wilson (DFRS/year = 6) (OPS+ 68)
LF M. Saunders (+6 DFRS/year) (86 OPS+)
3B Jose Lopez (SFRS/Year = 10) (OPS+ 71)
1B. Casey K Defensive runs save/Year (4) (OPS+ 73) 9HR
CF F. Gutierrez (0 DEFRS/year) (87 OPS+)
RF Suzuki (SFRS/year = -1) (113 OPS+)
C Moore (-4 DFRS/year) (44 OPS+)
2B Figgins (-8 DFRS/year) (84 OPS+)

Both Cliff Lee and Felix were in the CY race that year: Felix won, Lee #7. And with 2 Aces and that D they went 61-101.

And something that should stick out to you is that both Guti and Ichiro were considered strong defenders at their positions, but this D-metric had them at zero and -1 runs saved.

Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Nathan you are a good guy but my God your posts are like drinking through fire hose. I usually just skip right past them. Consider being more succinct. Maybe it is just me and my ADHD.

I appreciate your comments and do not disagree. There is something funny about my eyes and the screen that we use to post. I can't really read it accurately until I post it. Which is hard to justify. I have a subscription to an editor that I use in professional communications. I don't use it for posting here because this to me this is an informal communication platform. I detect errors in other people's posts, but I accept it. I never had an issue reading Somebody's Son's posts for example. I have a professional side of my life and consider this an escape from it. Here I can cuss and be critical and argumentative but could not portray any of that in my nine to five.

And the funny thing is I saw the inconsistent bullet point order, and the typos. And I said to myself "It's good enough, they'll figure it out."

Cheers

It has nothing to do with spelling, grammar or cussing. It is just the sheer volume of content makes it like a data dump, and most of it isn't needed to make your point. Josh Wilson's DFRS from 14 years ago for example...lol

[Donn Beach]

Linked to the mariners lol

(Gleyber) Torres may only sign for one year but if he has a rebound season, whatever team signs him this offseason could extend him a qualifying offer next winter," Bleacher Report's Tim Kelly wrote Friday when outlining where this offseason's top free agents could land. "Contract Prediction: One year, $15 million. Team Prediction: Seattle Mariners."

[Donn Beach]

Willy Adames? Says he's open to moving to second base

[Donn Beach]

The latest theory, move the walls back to where they were

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1787848/ ... nces-back/

[Seattle or Bust]

The latest theory, move the walls back to where they were

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1787848/ ... nces-back/

Since moving the fences in... yes, they've struggled with doubles.

But then how do you explain a 2023 where the M's were 11th in doubles?

I wouldnt exactly accuse the Mariners of having a supply of elite contact hitters over the past decade.

[bpj]

I blame the new mush ball they're using. OPS is down ~30 points across the league.

In 2023 the 30th highest OPS in MLB was .825 and the 60th highest OPS was .789.

In 2024 the 30th highest OPS in MLB was .797 and the 60th highest OPS was .760

In 2023 these were the Mariners doubles:

In 2024 these were the Mariners doubles:

[D-train]

I blame the new mush ball they're using. OPS is down ~30 points across the league.

In 2023 the 30th highest OPS in MLB was .825 and the 60th highest OPS was .789.

In 2024 the 30th highest OPS in MLB was .797 and the 60th highest OPS was .760

In 2023 these were the Mariners doubles:

Screenshot_20241113_150319_DuckDuckGo.jpg

In 2024 these were the Mariners doubles:

Screenshot_20241113_150346_DuckDuckGo.jpg

They need to go back to using the 2019 rabbit balls.

[Pharmabro]

I see a bunch of Yoan Moncada links. One of them came from the same reporter that broke the Randy trade. If the offense got 3B Moncada, 2b Lowe, and say JT for 1B/DH would you be satisfied?