Stone on the debacle

[Juliooooo]

NOBODY IS!!!!

I have a different opinion. I think the choice was probably 50/50 given the situations that Swanson faced this year. He wasn't ever asked to get the best lefty hitter in baseball out with 2 on in the 9th, most of his outings were medium leverage, or during extra innings of tied games. Alvarez is better against righties than lefties.

I thought Ray would be a much better option out of the pen. It didn't work out against one of the best hitters in baseball. He threw 2 bad pitches in a row.

Did it with our no, is it as stupid of a decision as some are making it out to be, in my opinion it isn't.

You guys can agree to disagree, or you can be ass holes by saying I'm "sucking off" to someone...

[XpertDBA]

NOBODY IS!!!!

Really? Because it feels to me like what I am reading is all it would have taken was for SS to put in different pitchers and non of this would have happened. That was my point, fine, fall in love with Boyd and Swanson, but what would we all be saying if he did and the results were the same? The blame, IMO, in here? SS.

This place acts like the Manager loses games and players win game. Blows me away. Sewald does his job, no one is in here praising SS. Sewald DOESN'T do his job? The blame is on the guy that asked him to. Dumb, IMO.

The game wasn't lost by making the decision to use Sewald. The game wasn't lost by Sewald. He did suck, but we still could have easily overcome his failing.

The game was lost by using a guy that's been getting SHELLED and being in a situation he's not used to. Yeah, Servais was brilliant and did nothing wrong....smh.

[bpj]

NOBODY IS!!!!

I have a different opinion. I think the choice was probably 50/50 given the situations that Swanson faced this year. He wasn't ever asked to get the best lefty hitter in baseball out with 2 on in the 9th, most of his outings were medium leverage, or during extra innings of tied games. Alvarez is better against righties than lefties.

I thought Ray would be a much better option out of the pen. It didn't work out against one of the best hitters in baseball. He threw 2 bad pitches in a row.

Did it with our no, is it as stupid of a decision as some are making it out to be, in my opinion it isn't.

You guys can agree to disagree, or you can be ass holes by saying I'm "sucking off" to someone...

You're not "sucking off" to someone.

You're sucking them off.

Blame Sewald. Blame Munoz. Nobody cares, they deserve blame.

Just like Dipoto and Servais for trying to turn Ray into something he's not.

Ray hardly deserves blame, he wasn't even doing his job, he was doing other players jobs.

[Captain 97]

Matthew Boyd's numbers against Lefties this year.....

3-24 with 0 doubles, 0 triples, 0 home runs, 1 Walk and 7 K's for a .125 AVG, .317 OPS and a 0.46 WHIP

[Juliooooo]

I thought that using Ray for just a few outs as a lefty out of the pen was the best option for him this series, and a good option against Alvarez. It didn't work out, and they may need to do something different in the future. That was my opinion before yesterday, and I'm not going to use hindsight to act like it was a stupid decision.

Kirby had never been a reliever, was it a stupid decision to use him instead of Swanson against Toronto simply because he hasn't been a reliever and Swanson has? I liked that decision at the time as well.

[Michael K.]

Ray wasn't doing his job, because it's not his job.

Get it?

Yes and no. That WAS his job this series. They went to the leftie they thought could get the leftie out. Looks like they were wrong, but again, I still think if he basically doesn't throw the same pitch twice in a row? The AB might have gone differently.

His job is to get good hitters out, right? He didn't do it.

[bpj]

Matthew Boyd's numbers against Lefties this year.....

3-24 with 0 doubles, 0 triples, 0 home runs, 1 Walk and 7 K's for a .125 AVG, .317 OPS and a 0.46 WHIP

Exactly, the move was an obvious one. Dipoto and Servais just needed results from their $100M man.

Welp, they got em!

[XpertDBA]

I thought that using Ray for just a few outs as a lefty out of the pen was the best option for him this series, and a good option against Alvarez. It didn't work out, and they may need to do something different in the future. That was my opinion before yesterday, and I'm not going to use hindsight to act like it was a stupid decision.

Kirby had never been a reliever, was it a stupid decision to use him instead of Swanson against Toronto simply because he hasn't been a reliever and Swanson has? I liked that decision at the time as well.

So even though ALL of us were saying, 'Oh No....not Ray....he's a HR pitching machine' BEFORE the AB on this forum, you still think it was the right decision????

Wow.....that's insane.

[bpj]

Ray wasn't doing his job, because it's not his job.

Get it?

Yes and no. That WAS his job this series. They went to the leftie they thought could get the leftie out. Looks like they were wrong, but again, I still think if he basically doesn't throw the same pitch twice in a row? The AB might have gone differently.

His job is to get good hitters out, right? He didn't do it.

No, if they pulled him from the rotation, his job went away. He didn't magically become one of our best relievers because he got booted from the rotation.

[Captain 97]

I thought that using Ray for just a few outs as a lefty out of the pen was the best option for him this series, and a good option against Alvarez. It didn't work out, and they may need to do something different in the future. That was my opinion before yesterday, and I'm not going to use hindsight to act like it was a stupid decision.

Kirby had never been a reliever, was it a stupid decision to use him instead of Swanson against Toronto simply because he hasn't been a reliever and Swanson has? I liked that decision at the time as well.

Yes it was. I commented on it in the game thread at the time it happened. There was no reason Swanson shouldn't have been out there in that game. Servais is trying to be overly clever. He got away with it that time but not with Ray.