A trade deadline plan

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Vogelbomb » Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:35 pm

bhofferb wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:28 pm

And how long should we keep giving tryouts during games that count? Forever, or just until our decade-best group of starters have reached FA and moved on?
It's all tryouts. There's no guarantee anybody we bring in (remember Polanco was brought in, Canzone brought in, Rojas brought in, Haniger brought in, Garver brought in) is going to continue to be what they are in their other uniform.

Yes, keep playing the guys you see something in. The guys that I mentioned -- Bliss, Robles, Garver, Locklear. Play them every day for the second half.

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by bhofferb » Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:02 pm

And that’s my frustration with the whole situation. Instead of paying for proven talent Jerry and Co rely on signing flawed and injured underperformers in the hopes they will bounce back enough to be considered a bargain, at which point we are all supposed to claim the Genius of Jerry to the world. DT has posted by year results of this plan, and Helen Effing Keller can see that the plan is a complete failure complete failure.

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am

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Robert has the three years of control but they aren't cheap, next season is $12.5 mil the 2026 and 2027 options are $20 mil each. It's a contract he signed before appearing in the ML That would seem fairly significant, particularly to the mariners
Define cheap? If he’s a 4 win OF each year those options are a massive bargain.

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:53 am

Cheap would be Brent Rooker. Of course that inflates the asking price. I don't think Canzone and Arroyo does it

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:03 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:53 am
Cheap would be Brent Rooker. Of course that inflates the asking price. I don't think Canzone and Arroyo does it
Rooker is about to see a massive pay raise in arbitration and if both are healthy and producing for a full year, Robert would double his WAR output if not triple it.

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:14 am

Massive in relation to the $750,000 he's making now. It is not getting close to $20 mil. Sure Robert could be a bargain at $20 mil or he could strain his hip flexor again running to first base, who knows. Hey, I don't have a problem with getting Robert. But the fact is he come with a price tag that would be factored in. I wouldn't be surprised if Stanton passed

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:30 am

Though I see where Vlad Jr got $19 mil, Robert is getting that either way I guess

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:06 am

“Yeah, that’s what I thought. I didn’t have a chance,” said Robert through interpreter Billy Russo. “He hit the ball, and I caught it. That’s it.”

“He’s playing in because there’s one out,” White Sox manager Pedro Grifol said. “He’s going back. Even if he runs back and comes in, there’s no play there. If we’re going to dissect that, we’re making something out of nothing. You’re not going to throw that guy out from there.”
His momentum is away from home plate when he makes the catch. There's no point in throwing the ball. People like to make something out of nothing

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:06 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:30 am
Though I see where Vlad Jr got $19 mil, Robert is getting that either way I guess
Rooker won't be making what Vlad or Robert are ever...

But again... it's cost relative to the potential production.

If Robert can stay healthy and just play 140 or so games for you, he's proven before that he can be a top player in the league. In 2021, he played in just 68 games and put up 3.5 fWAR. That's 8.3 fWAR/162.

Right now he's on pace for about 4fWAR/162 in 2024 which is a very serviceable player for the cost.

The other aspect of this is that he's just 26. You're potentially getting a guy in his direct prime years.

Lets say they win the lottery... he stays healthy... and hangs 20 fWAR over the next 3 years in an M's uni... it hasn't cost you much. I really do like Rooker, I do. But Rooker will max out as a 3-4 win player and is already 30.

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Re: A trade deadline plan

Post by D-train » Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:30 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:14 am
Massive in relation to the $750,000 he's making now. It is not getting close to $20 mil. Sure Robert could be a bargain at $20 mil or he could strain his hip flexor again running to first base, who knows. Hey, I don't have a problem with getting Robert. But the fact is he come with a price tag that would be factored in. I wouldn't be surprised if Stanton passed
Exactly it's like people forget who our owner is all of a sudden.
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