Preseason Game Thread? Hawks v. Faiders

[Michael K.]

Robbie Outzs first career snap as a fullback and a pro, goes up against Maxx Crosby and stands him up helping to break a 19 yard run for Holani. Just doing his job as a fullback to a T. That seemed like an odd draft pick but so far so good

“They brought a ‘Sam’ (strong-side) strong safety, something that we haven’t really repped much with that run scheme,” Macdonald said. “But to be able to follow those rules — and ended up blocking Maxx on that play, which was pretty cool.

here it is
https://twitter.com/i/status/1953860046028517816

Also watched a review on the OL in general, and Zabel and Lucas in particular, highlighting what a difference both of those guys make. Showed Lucas winning his reps against Crosby. one of the league's very best, without any help, even when he lined up in the wide 9 stance. Aside from Maxx I dont think of the Raiders DLine as world-beaters, but it was so refreshing the OL dominating in the first half, getting more push than i can recall since the Holmgren days with Walt and Hutch.

Adding Zabel and being able to get Lucas on the field is huge. I am not holding my breath that Abe stays healthy all of a sudden, but the line could at least be decent if he does. I'm worried about the other Guard spot and Center, but Brock mentioned this morning something about being able to get the five best O Lineman on the field. Olu's injury is allowing them to get Sundell on the field, and Brock thinks that gives them their five best. He didn't say why, and I found it odd. If Sundell is one of the five best, then why is he listed as the backup Center?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Hopefully Cross will be ready to go for week one...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/458 ... er-surgery

[57reasons]

Good point Donn. Several guys turned down BAMA. Probably smart since you don't want to be the guy that replaces the guy. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaces the guy.

Still, the guys that said no were in more of a position to say no that DeBoer, IMO. Didn't help that DeBoer basically did zero recruiting that year. He knew the Dawgs would probably struggle.

what is it with this state's coaches and Alabama? Long before KDB and crew there was Mike Price's move from your side of the mountains. HIs leash was a lot shorter but at least he could say his record there was undefeated!

[Michael K.]

Good point Donn. Several guys turned down BAMA. Probably smart since you don't want to be the guy that replaces the guy. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaces the guy.

Still, the guys that said no were in more of a position to say no that DeBoer, IMO. Didn't help that DeBoer basically did zero recruiting that year. He knew the Dawgs would probably struggle.

what is it with this state's coaches and Alabama? Long before KDB and crew there was Mike Price's move from your side of the mountains. HIs leash was a lot shorter but at least he could say his record there was undefeated!

I'm still shocked they cared that Price was at a strip club. I doubt he was the first or last Alabama Coach to get drunk at a strip club!

[57reasons]

Robbie Outzs first career snap as a fullback and a pro, goes up against Maxx Crosby and stands him up helping to break a 19 yard run for Holani. Just doing his job as a fullback to a T. That seemed like an odd draft pick but so far so good



here it is
https://twitter.com/i/status/1953860046028517816

Also watched a review on the OL in general, and Zabel and Lucas in particular, highlighting what a difference both of those guys make. Showed Lucas winning his reps against Crosby. one of the league's very best, without any help, even when he lined up in the wide 9 stance. Aside from Maxx I dont think of the Raiders DLine as world-beaters, but it was so refreshing the OL dominating in the first half, getting more push than i can recall since the Holmgren days with Walt and Hutch.

Adding Zabel and being able to get Lucas on the field is huge. I am not holding my breath that Abe stays healthy all of a sudden, but the line could at least be decent if he does. I'm worried about the other Guard spot and Center, but Brock mentioned this morning something about being able to get the five best O Lineman on the field. Olu's injury is allowing them to get Sundell on the field, and Brock thinks that gives them their five best. He didn't say why, and I found it odd. If Sundell is one of the five best, then why is he listed as the backup Center?

They've been serious about trying to get Sundell into the lineup because of his mobility and athleticism, trying him at Guard when Olu was playing better to fend off his challenge at Center prior to sitting out the Raiders game. Given he's another slightly undersized center, it makes sense that he'd grade better at pass pro than run blocking, but if he's undersized there he's even more undersized at the RG spot, and he's certainly not gonna dislodge Zabel at LG. So yeah, I could see him as the starting Center, and if he succeeds there maybe you try Olu at RG. I dont think Laumea moves well enough for Kubiak's liking, and they seem to have soured on Haynes at that spot now too. Thankfully Bradford looked good last week, but not sure we can trust that yet after what we've seen from him before.

[Donn Beach]

Good point Donn. Several guys turned down BAMA. Probably smart since you don't want to be the guy that replaces the guy. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replac. He es the guy.

Still, the guys that said no were in more of a position to say no that DeBoer, IMO. Didn't help that DeBoer basically did zero recruiting that year. He knew the Dawgs would probably struggle.

what is it with this state's coaches and Alabama? Long before KDB and crew there was Mike Price's move from your side of the mountains. HIs leash was a lot shorter but at least he could say his record there was undefeated!

I'm still shocked they cared that Price was at a strip club. I doubt he was the first or last Alabama Coach to get drunk at a strip club!

thought he chewed through his leash...he brought doggie bags home with him. I don't think the issue was so much what he was supposed to have done but the stories but the story was largely unsubstantiated. He sued Sports Illustrated and Alabama for libel, believe he won, or at least they settled with him

[Donn Beach]

Also watched a review on the OL in general, and Zabel and Lucas in particular, highlighting what a difference both of those guys make. Showed Lucas winning his reps against Crosby. one of the league's very best, without any help, even when he lined up in the wide 9 stance. Aside from Maxx I dont think of the Raiders DLine as world-beaters, but it was so refreshing the OL dominating in the first half, getting more push than i can recall since the Holmgren days with Walt and Hutch.

Adding Zabel and being able to get Lucas on the field is huge. I am not holding my breath that Abe stays healthy all of a sudden, but the line could at least be decent if he does. I'm worried about the other Guard spot and Center, but Brock mentioned this morning something about being able to get the five best O Lineman on the field. Olu's injury is allowing them to get Sundell on the field, and Brock thinks that gives them their five best. He didn't say why, and I found it odd. If Sundell is one of the five best, then why is he listed as the backup Center?

They've been serious about trying to get Sundell into the lineup because of his mobility and athleticism, trying him at Guard when Olu was playing better to fend off his challenge at Center prior to sitting out the Raiders game. Given he's another slightly undersized center, it makes sense that he'd grade better at pass pro than run blocking, but if he's undersized there he's even more undersized at the RG spot, and he's certainly not gonna dislodge Zabel at LG. So yeah, I could see him as the starting Center, and if he succeeds there maybe you try Olu at RG. I dont think Laumea moves well enough for Kubiak's liking, and they seem to have soured on Haynes at that spot now too. Thankfully Bradford looked good last week, but not sure we can trust that yet after what we've seen from him before.

Sundell has less experience doesn't he, seems like he would go into camp as the number two. Center seems the issue for me. And that's a function of the Conner Williams retirement, they were supposed to have center covered. And I don't think there's been a lot of possibilities to upgrade. The draft wasn't supposed to have had much terms of centers

[Michael K.]

Everyone has more experience than Zabel, why isn't he listed lower on the depth chart? You think it makes sense that he is one of the five best O Lineman, but listed as second string C and G? And it makes sense because he has less experience than the guys play better than? Fine, but I disagree.

[Donn Beach]

Everyone has more experience than Zabel, why isn't he listed lower on the depth chart? You think it makes sense that he is one of the five best O Lineman, but listed as second string C and G? And it makes sense because he has less experience than the guys play better than? Fine, but I disagree.

what are you using for a depth chart? This is from the Seahawks isn't it? They have them both listed as first, and Anthony Bradford, Christian Haynes and Jalen Sundell all listed under first right guard

https://www.seahawks.com/team/depth-cha ... ahawks.com

[Donn Beach]

this is funny to me, Sporting news reporting that Horton has "officially" moved onto the first team WR depth chart. But the source is the ESPN depth chart, is that official?

In ESPN's Seahawks depth chart, Horton has officially moved onto the first-team offense with Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Cooper Kupp. That pushes Marquez Valdes-Scantling onto the second team.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/sea ... c3c8770dbf