Postmortem - Hawks v Chardonnay Nation

[Michael K.]

In other news, Kittle is already on IR.

The Niners are banged up. They were banged up coming in, more banged up during, and even more banged up after. And yet? We couldn't muster up the fucking balls to play an offense that had a fucking change to win, and even with two turnovers and two missed FGs by the 9ers? We lost a home game.

But, no biggie, it's still the Pre-Season. What a crock of fucking shit.

[auroraave]

I just can't get worked up about one sloppy game to start the season knowing it's all shit until at least 3-4 games into the season as we all have seen is the case anymore for reasons I've explained ad nauseam. People forget Darnold was the best FA QB avail and that Geno wanted OUT. This was the best move for the situation - and NO ONE is claiming Darnold is the next Brady. He needs a few games under his belt with this group, the entire offense needs reps together - lot's of moving parts to gel and acclimate. Stuns me no one considers ANY of this stuff - you know, basic human behavior. Those need to happen in concert with Kubiak calling a complimentary game. The absolutely ridiculous over reactions after ONE game, a four point loss - are not a commentary on the Seahawks as much as people's utterly ridiculous expectations.

EVERYONE has played one game. Only one offense was worse over all than this one. EVERYONE played the exact same number of pre-season games. EVERYONE can decide how much playing time the starters get. Guys laughed at Pete for playing his starters. Go look at Vegas' number compared to our. These excuses are fucking horseshit. Excuses are for the teams that didn't do enough to be ready to play. Even playing field, and besides Miami? This staff and these players offensively?

Flacco and Cleveland held the ball for nearly fourteen more minutes than Seattle. Fucking Fourteen!
Flacco and Cleveland converted on over 26% more third downs!
Flacco and Cleveland outgained the Seahawks by almost 100 yards, and Mr Senior Citizen Flacco himself threw for 145 more yards than Darnold.
The Cleveland fucking Browns! Let that sink in. The FUCKING Cleveland Browns, with Joe Fucking Flacco! But, but, no preseason, only one game. Bullshit.
Name another NFL team that has played more games than one? I'll wait.

Let's also not forget how BAD the overall game has become. The slow decline, players not prepared out of college for many reasons including the transfer portals. Watching woolen absolutely misplay two critical passes - reminds me of just how stupid even the most athletic players can be - they are less football players anymore than athletes posing as footballers. Imagine sherman watching woolen and just cringing. Players have gotten fucking stupid as all hell.

Then single biggest takeaway from this entire thread is some folks have absolutely insane expectations they place on others. I find a lot of this disturbing - this seething hatred and vitriol and outrage - about a rusty football team barely losing a game. I am speechless at the overreaction and the degree of anger. It is simply not warranted.

The single biggest takeaway for me is that this coffee sipping fan base is soft as shit. No wonder the entire lower bowl of the stadium was red on Sunday. Remind me again how only Seattle got the college kids that aren't ready to play football? Remind me why it's only one game for Seattle, but all the teams that were actually ready to play football? Probably because they actually prepared the team to play instead of spending the entire summer bullshiting about how great it would be with sixteen new offensive consultants. But? The fan base bought it, so I guess they win. They look like shit for sixty minutes on Sunday, and the fans are just fucking fine about it. What happened to this group? Everyone else besides Miami was ready to play offense on Sunday.

Your constant bitching about the game, constantly telling us you don't watch it, then constantly telling us you know more about it than those that watched. I watched. It was pathetic. It was the most basic offensive scheme I've seen since I coached Pop Warner and the other team ran the Rugby Scrub bullshit. Barry Switzer and Tom Osborne watched that game and couldn't believe how vanilla it was!

Did Apple Blossom get protested out of existence up in Wenatchee? The Apples were being victimized by the pears and cherries? There wasn't enough fruit diversity? The illegal alien fruits weren't getting enough tax-payer-funded benefits?

They killed it even before that fucker from Yakima became Governor and brought Apple Maggots to a fire torn town in Eastern Washington. It got pretty crazy, but not crazy enough for the militarized police presence they brought in. I got a jay walking ticket for having one foot off the sidewalk talking to someone in a car. Yes, she was a hit chick, so it was worth it. I should have taken that as a hint and stayed away. Not long later I spent a night in jail for "chirping" my tires. They smelled alcohol and threw me in the clink for DUI. Of course you smelled alcohol, the guy in the back seat was pass out drunk! I wasn't sober, but wasn't drunk. Ended up with a reckless driving ticket anyway.

I've pretty much never been to that side of the River on Apple Blossom unless work takes me there since.

SO, you don't think this is overreacting after ONE game into a 17 game season? I guess agree to disagree. Also, kindly point out where I said I know more about it than anyone else. I'll wait. I don't recall ever saying that - nor do I understand why you choose to make up stuff that is patently untrue. You are lying. The fact you are lying and making up is evidence your position is weak. Strong positions don't rely on lies and deception or false narrative to prove their worth. I assumed you were better than that. I guess the real questions is what were you chirping the tires in?

[maoling]

Apple Blossom in the 90s. What a time! Was a lot of fun until my night in jail! Haha

Yeah, some of those cops over there had a real red ass. Good thing you didn't get caught up in the repressed memory sex crimes cases when you did your night in the slammer. I worked on that story with and interviewed some out-of-control power-tripping Wenatchee detectives who ruined a lot of lives. What a mess.

[douche]

In other news, Kittle is already on IR.

The Niners are banged up. They were banged up coming in, more banged up during, and even more banged up after. And yet? We couldn't muster up the fucking balls to play an offense that had a fucking change to win, and even with two turnovers and two missed FGs by the 9ers? We lost a home game.

But, no biggie, it's still the Pre-Season. What a crock of fucking shit.

Although it was the first game of the season and the team is trying to find itself, it's still a regular season game and it still counts. So yea, you're right, to lose at home when the opposition blows 2 field goals and turns the ball over twice? Pretty sad.

Not sold on the coaching and not sold on the scheme. And can the coaches maximize their player's abilities? Only time will tell.

I'm not wringing my hands by any means, I'm at the point where I'm simply a casual onlooker.

[Michael K.]

SO, you don't think this is overreacting after ONE game into a 17 game season? I guess agree to disagree. Also, kindly point out where I said I know more about it than anyone else. I'll wait. I don't recall ever saying that - nor do I understand why you choose to make up stuff that is patently untrue. You are lying. The fact you are lying and making up is evidence your position is weak. Strong positions don't rely on lies and deception or false narrative to prove their worth. I assumed you were better than that. I guess the real questions is what were you chirping the tires in?

I think it is perfectly relevant to discuss how fucking stupid it was to pretend that the OC was at fault for all that was wrong last year, make one change up front and tell us that all we needed were the same RBs and O lineman and Kubiak would fix it all. How the FUCK is that not worth talking about.

Kubiak the Savior had this team with 88 yards passing the first 58:10 of the God Damn Football game. But according to you and several others in here? It's a moot point because week one doesn't count. And from you? Someone who admits they don't even watch? Pretty fucking ignorant.

As for pointing out where you said it. Read your posts and tell me they aren't condescending as a Mother Fucker.

[Michael K.]

Apple Blossom in the 90s. What a time! Was a lot of fun until my night in jail! Haha

Yeah, some of those cops over there had a real red ass. Good thing you didn't get caught up in the repressed memory sex crimes cases when you did your night in the slammer. I worked on that story with and interviewed some out-of-control power-tripping Wenatchee detectives who ruined a lot of lives. What a mess.

Yeah, that was nuts. There was a documentary about it. I have never watched it.

Speaking of true crime, where you around when Spillman killed that mom and daughter in East Wenatchee? That was literally across the street from my Mother-in-Law. My wife and I weren't married at the time, but she was alone because her husband was on the road, my now wife was going to Central and her sister was living in Portland. I stayed there for a week or two until they caught him.

The did a special on him, Evil Lives here was the TV series I believe. The Evil Lives Here episode wasn't all that great, but that was sure a crazy thing to happen in this sleepy little town.

[Michael K.]

The hand wringing over the offense is going to be super fun to watch on here. Fire Schneider! Dump Darnold! Bring back Russ! I do cherish the utterly hilarious overreactions coming.

Relax. It's one game. If you thought they were going to be lights out right out of the gate and hang a 50 burger on Chardonnay Nation - well perhaps you need to have realistic expectations instead.

Of course they are going to start slow offensively - LOTS of new parts - we're still in 'preseason' mode. While there weren't a lot of highlights, and there was definitely some inconsistencies, the offensive line looked decent and the running backs came to play. No, Darnold is not getting a Canton jacket off of today's game, but once this offense gets going they'll be fine - and by fine I mean a consistent ground game with a complimentary passing game - they won't be Houston's Run N Gun hanging 70 on Oklahoma A & M, but they should be able to manage well once they have time to develop together in concert with the defense getting dialed in.

Put the razor blades away, stop hand wringing that the undefeated season expectations you laid on the team have collapsed - it's one game showing plenty of potential and also plenty of work to be done.

I have to admit AA, this time you didn't do as much in your face Strawman shit, so maybe I was reacting a bit much to how you usually approach this shit, and not this week's AA rant.

But your logic is incredibly flawed. Only the Miami Dolphins looked worse offensively. IMO? That's horseshit after all the shit we were force fed all off season about how Kubiak was the savior. Sorry, there is literally NOTHING to support that. Not one thing he has done in his career, and CERTAINLY not last year. People told us that because that is what JS wanted you to hear. It was complete crap. Kubiak has a last name people recognize. That is period the end of the story for him. Nothing he has done ever says that he will be a good playcaller. His success in NO was for two weeks, and it was two explosive first halves owned by his QB, not his run game.

He was more lost than Grubb ever was on Sunday. If Grubb had been kept and THAT was what we did week one? Holy Shit, this place would have been crazy. And? Rightfully fucking so. That was a disgusting display of offense. Kubiak should forfeit one seventeenth of his salary.

If you don't feel that display warrants a discussion on a website designed for discussion? Than I don't know why the fuck any of us are here.

And to throw it right back at you? Show me who said fire Schneider, Dump Darnold and bring back Russ? Strawman bullshit. We had 88 yards passing in 58 minutes, but anyone who expected more actually thought we'd hang 50 on the 9ers? Strawman bullshit.

Put the razor blades away, undefeated season? Strawman bullshit. So, I expect more than 88 yards passing in 58 minutes of football? That makes my expectations too high? I expect the team thumping their chest about a run game to be better than second to last in time of possession? Expectations are too high? What the fuck ever.

[Donn Beach]

SO, you don't think this is overreacting after ONE game into a 17 game season? I guess agree to disagree. Also, kindly point out where I said I know more about it than anyone else. I'll wait. I don't recall ever saying that - nor do I understand why you choose to make up stuff that is patently untrue. You are lying. The fact you are lying and making up is evidence your position is weak. Strong positions don't rely on lies and deception or false narrative to prove their worth. I assumed you were better than that. I guess the real questions is what were you chirping the tires in?

I think it is perfectly relevant to discuss how fucking stupid it was to pretend that the OC was at fault for all that was wrong last year, make one change up front and tell us that all we needed were the same RBs and O lineman and Kubiak would fix it all. How the FUCK is that not worth talking ab?out.

Kubiak the Savior had this team with 88 yards passing the first 58:10 of the God Damn Football game. But according to you and several others in here? It's a moot point because week one doesn't count. And from you? Someone who admits they don't even watch? Pretty fucking ignorant.

As for pointing out where you said it. Read your posts and tell me they aren't condescending as a Mother Fucker.

honestly Michael, you are the king of the hyperbolic strawman. Who here ever said anything about grubb being responsible for all that was wrong last year? It's fun and interesting discussing football but i wish there was less venting

[Michael K.]

honestly Michael, you are the king of the hyperbolic strawman. Who here ever said anything about grubb being responsible for all that was wrong last year? It's fun and interesting discussing football but i wish there was less venting

You are telling me that wasn't the narrative? Two guys lost their jobs, OC and O Line coach. Every story you posted was about Grubb being in over his head, he didn't do what MM wanted, then Schneider gets an extension, tells us in his own words that the guys we have here are good enough, and lauds Kubiak!

If you don't think 85% of the posters in here blamed Grubb for everything? Than we are reading a different forum. But thanks for finally stating your opinion for once. I'm surprised you didn't search for a quote from someone else saying I use Strawmen. Sorry, I couldn't help it.

General Manager John Schneider has not publicly commented directly on the firing of Offensive Coordinator Ryan Grubb; however, sources indicate that the decision was made by Head Coach Mike Macdonald, with reports of a philosophical difference between the two regarding the run game. Schneider's role is primarily as the General Manager who ultimately has the authority over coaching staff decisions, even if the head coach makes the final call on a subordinate.

Seahawks GM John Schneider expressed confidence in the team's new offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak, seeing him as a key piece to implementing a new offensive system and addressing the team's weaknesses, especially in the offensive trenches and run game. Schneider stated that the team has a plan to address their identified deficiencies and noted the importance of hiring Kubiak, along with offensive line coach John Benton, to help establish a consistent identity and improve the team's performance, particularly by bringing in the Mike Shanahan outside-zone blocking scheme.

This kind of shit was constant this offseason.

The Seahawks hired offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak to oversee the offense this season. Kubiak brought acclaimed offensive line coach John Benton with him to help install his scheme and develop the young offensive linemen. Schneider then selected left guard Grey Zabel at No. 18 overall in the 2025 NFL draft.

“It has to be the offensive line, the cohesiveness of the group," Schneider responded to a question about how the Seahawks' 2025 roster is better than the 2024 version. “There’s buy-in there, right? There’s a legitimate system.”

All I read from you guys was "yeah, a system. Obviosly we didn't have that with Grubb." Again, if you didn't read that, then I really can't help you.

And I REALLY can't help you if what you watched on Sunday was a system that is going to get this team to a playoff win. You know, that thing we've had one of in the past eight seasons....yet our GM got a five year extension?

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, I am telling you that wasn't the narrative. There was never a narrative in the first place, the team won ten games. If he had decided to keep grubb nobody would be second guessing that decision. But for whatever reason MM decided to move on from Grubb, that was his decision, he's the coach. After making that decision he made another decision, that was to hire Kubiak, far as I am concerned the two are not even related. One was because he didn't want the guy on his staff, the other was because he did. Everybody can sit around scratching their asses pondering on why he canned Grubb but its MM that knows the answer, its his team, he gets to pick his staff. I honestly don't understand the hard part about that

this is the deal, you go on and on not agreeing with MM firing Grubb. I don't see where you get a vote. It's his team, his staff, he makes those decisions. He's not going to work with a guy on his staff he doesn't want on his staff. It's like you arguing you have decided to divorce your wife and i complaining about it. You don't like MM fine, you don't like his style of football fine, but get over his deciding who is on his staff, its his staff