Who will win the presidential election

[bpj]

"As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to Congress," he continued. "This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, that we can direct that the alternate slate of electors be certified." - Steven Miller

What do you clowns figure the odds are that judges are going to rule in favor of Trump's legal team (who have lost just about everything under the sun) to allow the "alternative slate of electors" as the ones the state's certify?

0%.

ZERO.

Even if Pence goes full treason mode, judges then have to rule in favor to certify the alternative electors. ITS. NEVER. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

There is “zero chance such a maneuver by Pence or the Republicans will succeed if they are bold enough to try this,” Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics said.

Such a move would be destined to fail after courts in several states rejected Trump’s unfounded claims of widespread voter fraud over the past month.

They aren't going to have to certify any other electors. Just reject the fraudulent states results, neither candidate gets to 270 electoral votes meaning it becomes a house vote with 1 vote per state.

Nothing needs to get overturned. Just don't accept the fraudulent states.

They're going to present evidence on the 6th when House Reps and Senators object. They're not going to do so just so that Pence will say, welp, nevermind.

They present. He says, yep, can't accept those results from in the contested states from either side.

Nobody gets the 270 required electoral votes, so it goes to a House vote where they vote along party line, Trump has advantage 27-23.

[bpj]

I'm confused by what some people are saying here. "The states" designated one set of electors each based upon the state's popular vote. In the case of the 6 battleground states being discussed (WI, PA, MI, GA, AZ, and NV), state officials certified that the Democratic Party candidate (Biden) won. None of these states has "declared" a second set of electors. Rather, the second set of electors are, as far I know, the Republican electors in each of these 6 states. In each of these states, it was the Democratic electors (not the Republican electors) who were chosen when the election results were certified. These (Democratic, for these 6 states) electors already cast their votes when the Electoral College "met" earlier this month. The Democratic electors from these states are the ones whose votes will be affirmed next week.

Meanwhile, no state official (Governor, Secretary of State, of chief election officials any of these states) is promoting these Republican electors, and none of these officials have claimed any fraud or other wrong doing. Neither fraud nor other wrong doing has been found in any court case.

Clearly, members of the house and senate are well within the Constitution and Federal law to raise challenges. But I think their case has to be stronger than what has been shown so far.

They are suing for a ruling so when the electoral envelopes are delivered to Pence, contested, he understands he can't accept electors from states where fraud has been proven. Reject them. Which leads to the scenario i outlined above.

Nobody is talking about "overturning" electors and handing the contested states to Trump. They simply don't get counted.

[bpj]

Their strategy from the horses mouth-

[BaseHitDerby]

Pence's trip to Israel on Jan. 6 just go cancelled. Something big could be going down that day. Senator Hawley also announced today that he would object the electoral certification. Since there are already GOP reps. who said they will object, this sets up a debate in the Senate and House that day.

[BaseHitDerby]

STUNNING: All Major Western Media Outlets Take ‘Private Dinners’, ‘Sponsored Trips’ From Chinese Communist Propaganda Front

A host of corporate media outlets including CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and MSNBC have participated in private dinners and sponsored trips with the China-United States Exchange Foundation, a Chinese Communist Party-funded group seeking to garner “favorable coverage” and “disseminate positive messages” regarding China, The National Pulse can reveal.

Other outlets involved in the propaganda operation include Forbes, the Financial Times, Newsweek, Bloomberg, Reuters, ABC News, the Economist, the Wall Street Journal, AFP, TIME magazine, LA Times, The Hill, BBC, and The Atlantic.

The relationship is revealed in the Department of Justice’s Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA) filings, which reveal a relationship spanning over a decade between establishment media outlets and the China–United States Exchange Foundation (CUSEF).

‘Neutralize Opposition.’

CUSEF is a Chinese Communist Party-funded initiative founded by Tung Chee Hwa. The group also targets American universities with offers to fund policy research, high-level dialogues, and exchange programs.

The effort, according to the U.S. government report, aims to “to co-opt and neutralize sources of potential opposition to the policies and authority of its ruling Chinese Communist Party.”

“The United Front strategy uses a range of methods to influence overseas Chinese communities, foreign governments, and other actors to take actions or adopt positions supportive of Beijing’s preferred policies,” it continues.

This strategy appears to have been deployed in conjunction with outlets such as CNN, New York Times, and the Washington Post.

Yet, people still believe the mainstream media. Trump called out their credibility, which is a reason why they have been attacking him and want him gone. This country is so compromised. Our government, politicians, media, corporations, universities, and Hollywood are bought out by Chinese money.

[seattlefan-daBronx]

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/ ... st-events/

And so it begins...We the People...know who the traitorous fks are in our country.
Keeping a list and checking it twice. We will never give up, never give in, never surrender.
We only need 1 percent of the armed, trained, and pissed off silent majority no more to take back the country.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Let's keep the powder dry on the armed rebellion. Ha Ha. There's still a good chance for the constitution to hold true.
The chess board is slowly working in Trump's favor.
All six battle ground states will have to go through two hour debates. This will be embarrassing for Democrats as the same
stories of wide spread fraud will be told with irrefutable evidence given.

Then it's up to the Pence card. Contrary to fake news, Pence has plenary power. That means absolute. He doesn't need to over turn the electoral votes. He will disqualify the contested states kicking the matter to Congress for a vote.

Que the media meltdown and socialist riots

Doesn't matter. Trump has the votes in Congress. He also has the high ground of this debate. Counting every vote is illegal. Removing every illegal vote is what every reasonable person should expect regardless of the outcome.

We are nearly two months past the election
70-80% of Republicans believe the election was stolen
50% of Independents
20-30% of Democrats

Very few people will be shocked when absolute proof of fraud is revealed. With the exception of extremists, most people will agree that Trump should be president and the people behind the election fraud should be punished.

[gil]

Pence's trip to Israel on Jan. 6 just go cancelled. Something big could be going down that day. Senator Hawley also announced today that he would object the electoral certification. Since there are already GOP reps. who said they will object, this sets up a debate in the Senate and House that day.

Explanation 1: There will be 6 states where votes are contested, right? Two hours of debate per state in each chamber before they vote, that makes at least 12 hours of debate. If this plays out, Pence can't leave town on Jan. 6if he is still President of the Senate.

Explanation 2: COVID-19 is surging in many parts of the world. Even conservative Republicans recognize that elective travel should be limited.

Speculation from a left wing friend: Trump will resign after the Congress accepts the Electoral College results, and Pence will become President (for 13-14 days) and, during that time, issue a blanket pardon for Trump. (Who says that only right wingers have crazy ideas? lol)

[gil]

Let's keep the powder dry on the armed rebellion. Ha Ha. There's still a good chance for the constitution to hold true.
The chess board is slowly working in Trump's favor.
All six battle ground states will have to go through two hour debates. This will be embarrassing for Democrats as the same
stories of wide spread fraud will be told with irrefutable evidence given.

Then it's up to the Pence card. Contrary to fake news, Pence has plenary power. That means absolute. He doesn't need to over turn the electoral votes. He will disqualify the contested states kicking the matter to Congress for a vote.

Que the media meltdown and socialist riots

Doesn't matter. Trump has the votes in Congress. He also has the high ground of this debate. Counting every vote is illegal. Removing every illegal vote is what every reasonable person should expect regardless of the outcome.

We are nearly two months past the election
70-80% of Republicans believe the election was stolen
50% of Independents
20-30% of Democrats

Very few people will be shocked when absolute proof of fraud is revealed. With the exception of extremists, most people will agree that Trump should be president and the people behind the election fraud should be punished.

I'm certainly open to the evidence (and I think any patriotic congressperson - this includes democrats by the way - should be as well). But why hasn't what people are calling evidence been presented in a court in a manner that judge has accepted it? Why hasn't this evidence of fraud been accepted by Republican election officials, Secretaries of State, and Governors? Quite frankly, I think there is an echo chamber (on the right) of "Fraud! Fraud! Fraud!" that has a lot in common with the echo chamber (on the left) of "Russia! Russia! Russia!"

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Let's keep the powder dry on the armed rebellion. Ha Ha. There's still a good chance for the constitution to hold true.
The chess board is slowly working in Trump's favor.
All six battle ground states will have to go through two hour debates. This will be embarrassing for Democrats as the same
stories of wide spread fraud will be told with irrefutable evidence given.

Then it's up to the Pence card. Contrary to fake news, Pence has plenary power. That means absolute. He doesn't need to over turn the electoral votes. He will disqualify the contested states kicking the matter to Congress for a vote.

Que the media meltdown and socialist riots

Doesn't matter. Trump has the votes in Congress. He also has the high ground of this debate. Counting every vote is illegal. Removing every illegal vote is what every reasonable person should expect regardless of the outcome.

We are nearly two months past the election
70-80% of Republicans believe the election was stolen
50% of Independents
20-30% of Democrats

Very few people will be shocked when absolute proof of fraud is revealed. With the exception of extremists, most people will agree that Trump should be president and the people behind the election fraud should be punished.

I'm certainly open to the evidence (and I think any patriotic congressperson - this includes democrats by the way - should be as well). But why hasn't what people are calling evidence been presented in a court in a manner that judge has accepted it? Why hasn't this evidence of fraud been accepted by Republican election officials, Secretaries of State, and Governors? Quite frankly, I think there is an echo chamber (on the right) of "Fraud! Fraud! Fraud!" that has a lot in common with the echo chamber (on the left) of "Russia! Russia! Russia!"

That's because there is so much dirt / slime on each one these politicians that imho deals are being made behind doors.
Why do the Republicans have to "announce" that they're going to object to the certifications?
Julian Assange once said "when all is revealed 98 percent of government will fall".
I love Hawk's optimism...still believe in the system eh Hawk?...I'm preparing myself for post January 6th already.
I believe the system is broken beyond redemption. The Republican and Democrat parties are dead.
When enough criminal communists have been arrested, judged, sentenced, and executed...then a new party will arise and the country can move forward!