Vaccine vs. Mask

[Fungo]

Muppetry.

A bit off topic but..
Makes me wonder about the upcoming college football season. Anyone think it will be business as usual? I'd say it's very possible it will be another abbreviated debacle or at least have some games cancelled.

[gil]

Gil,
I'm going to do it to you.

Post your links to prove this doctor wrong.

And now I'm going to channel Coug and ISLTM....and make sure these links are from a viable source. Not anything like NBC, CBS, ABC or PBS. Please don't post anything from the CDC or Homeland Security as they are not reliable. And certainly nothing from Fauchi, Bill Gates, that douche that owns google or the Amazon idiot.

Bring them on.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-trut ... -covid-19/

By the way, I'm saddened that someone like you who seems reasonable and smart does not trust anything from the sources. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Sure. Do they tilt one way or another. I'd agree sometimes. But as to basic facts, to dismiss the whole group that you have listed? This country is in trouble.

[seattlefan-daBronx]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1420549305098805250

In France, Medical workers refusing to take the jab.

[bpj]

Gil,
I'm going to do it to you.

Post your links to prove this doctor wrong.

And now I'm going to channel Coug and ISLTM....and make sure these links are from a viable source. Not anything like NBC, CBS, ABC or PBS. Please don't post anything from the CDC or Homeland Security as they are not reliable. And certainly nothing from Fauchi, Bill Gates, that douche that owns google or the Amazon idiot.

Bring them on.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-trut ... -covid-19/

By the way, I'm saddened that someone like you who seems reasonable and smart does not trust anything from the sources. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Sure. Do they tilt one way or another. I'd agree sometimes. But as to basic facts, to dismiss the whole group that you have listed? This country is in trouble.

They get 95% of everything right.

Except what matters. Then it's always a Democrat slant. Always.

[auroraave]

Gil,
I'm going to do it to you.

Post your links to prove this doctor wrong.

And now I'm going to channel Coug and ISLTM....and make sure these links are from a viable source. Not anything like NBC, CBS, ABC or PBS. Please don't post anything from the CDC or Homeland Security as they are not reliable. And certainly nothing from Fauchi, Bill Gates, that douche that owns google or the Amazon idiot.

Bring them on.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-trut ... -covid-19/

By the way, I'm saddened that someone like you who seems reasonable and smart does not trust anything from the sources. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Sure. Do they tilt one way or another. I'd agree sometimes. But as to basic facts, to dismiss the whole group that you have listed? This country is in trouble.

Dude, c'mon. Did you actually read this? Did you note the DATE on the article? This is from November 2020 - almost nine months ago - meaning the research data he was crunching was probably close to a year old. Whether it was true or not AT THAT TIME - we are in a completely different landscape now with variants emerging and many people coming out with a growing list of vaccine side effects - including death.

Whatever 'truths' this guy may or may not have been expounding - are now obsolete. The amount of new information and data we have now is exponentially more accurate than from a year ago. And you cannot actually tell me you believe masks protect you, right? No one believes that anymore. Even the village idiot Fauci has admitted to that - from day 1. The 'doctor' in this 'article' is basically pushing the 'mask' narrative - that has loooooooooooong since been completely debunked by virtually everyone.

C'mon man. Are you seriously telling this board you believe this guy and his year old data about masks? Cutting and pasting something you googled because it fits your narrative - without even bothering to vet the information.... I mean, come on.

All I can say is "Holy shit" if you seriously believe in this article's accuracy.

[gil]

OK here are some newer things, but really ...

I think my "narrative" is about finding out what is true. And you know what? I bet yours are also. We all think we are trying to find out what is true.

So serious question: How do you decide what is true? Is there an objective reality that you can discern if you don't believe a large segment of the information that you locate online, in the news, and/or talking with people?

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-e ... 021-7?op=1

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... CoV-2.aspx

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Gil,
I'm going to do it to you.

Post your links to prove this doctor wrong.

And now I'm going to channel Coug and ISLTM....and make sure these links are from a viable source. Not anything like NBC, CBS, ABC or PBS. Please don't post anything from the CDC or Homeland Security as they are not reliable. And certainly nothing from Fauchi, Bill Gates, that douche that owns google or the Amazon idiot.

Bring them on.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-trut ... -covid-19/

By the way, I'm saddened that someone like you who seems reasonable and smart does not trust anything from the sources. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Sure. Do they tilt one way or another. I'd agree sometimes. But as to basic facts, to dismiss the whole group that you have listed? This country is in trouble.

Honestly I don't trust any media source. Nor do I trust the AMA, any pharma company or politician.
they all want to control the masses, so they 'decide' what we (the lowly people) get to hear and "believe".

Or maybe I am just a cynic when it comes to the media these days. I am no fan of trump, but he got a raw deal when it came to the media.
Steele report......paid for my Hillary
That porn star.....who give a rats ass what he did before he was President, unless it was illegal.
Russian collusion.....as it turns out, it was once again Hillary that had deals with the russians.
Ukraine quid pro quo.....just another witch hunt. As it turns out Joe Biden did the whole quid pro quo with them while he was VP.

CNN and MSNBC both push a narrative for the public when they know the truth. THATS WRONG.

As for the vaccines, how much was just hysteria to make people uncomfortable and want change. There are actually reports that say that during election years if people are uncomfortable, they want change. It worked to a TEE this time.

Then to add to the hysteria, we can talk about the cities burning.
Or that ALL cops are bad.
All the cop shootings when it's white on black.
All the cop shootings when it's white on asian.
All the cop shootings when it's white on mexican.
Nothing about black on black crime.
Nothing about the FACT that the criminal that got shot deserved it. That asshole at Wendy's in Georgia should have been shot. He refused arrest, he fought with the cops, he took one of their stun-guns and shot it at the cops. They were right in returning fire. What would have happened if they had let him go, then he committed a violent crime?
What about all the homeless issues last year? I guarantee they are still homeless, but not news worthy any more.

And thanks for calling me 'reasonable and smart'. I certainly appreciate that.

[gil]

Gil,
I'm going to do it to you.

Post your links to prove this doctor wrong.

And now I'm going to channel Coug and ISLTM....and make sure these links are from a viable source. Not anything like NBC, CBS, ABC or PBS. Please don't post anything from the CDC or Homeland Security as they are not reliable. And certainly nothing from Fauchi, Bill Gates, that douche that owns google or the Amazon idiot.

Bring them on.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/the-trut ... -covid-19/

By the way, I'm saddened that someone like you who seems reasonable and smart does not trust anything from the sources. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Sure. Do they tilt one way or another. I'd agree sometimes. But as to basic facts, to dismiss the whole group that you have listed? This country is in trouble.

Honestly I don't trust any media source. Nor do I trust the AMA, any pharma company or politician.
they all want to control the masses, so they 'decide' what we (the lowly people) get to hear and "believe".

Or maybe I am just a cynic when it comes to the media these days. I am no fan of trump, but he got a raw deal when it came to the media.
Steele report......paid for my Hillary
That porn star.....who give a rats ass what he did before he was President, unless it was illegal.
Russian collusion.....as it turns out, it was once again Hillary that had deals with the russians.
Ukraine quid pro quo.....just another witch hunt. As it turns out Joe Biden did the whole quid pro quo with them while he was VP.

CNN and MSNBC both push a narrative for the public when they know the truth. THATS WRONG.

As for the vaccines, how much was just hysteria to make people uncomfortable and want change. There are actually reports that say that during election years if people are uncomfortable, they want change. It worked to a TEE this time.

Then to add to the hysteria, we can talk about the cities burning.
Or that ALL cops are bad.
All the cop shootings when it's white on black.
All the cop shootings when it's white on asian.
All the cop shootings when it's white on mexican.
Nothing about black on black crime.
Nothing about the FACT that the criminal that got shot deserved it. That asshole at Wendy's in Georgia should have been shot. He refused arrest, he fought with the cops, he took one of their stun-guns and shot it at the cops. They were right in returning fire. What would have happened if they had let him go, then he committed a violent crime?
What about all the homeless issues last year? I guarantee they are still homeless, but not news worthy any more.

And thanks for calling me 'reasonable and smart'. I certainly appreciate that.

You are very welcome. I'm just being honest.

It's good to be able to disagree without name calling. And I suspect we have a lot to disagree about.

But it's interesting, as part of my "media diet" includes the New York Times and the Washington Post: I don't recognize much of what you are describing from these sources. I recognize it as what Fox News, for example, might say about liberals and democrats, or what people I know who are pretty far right tend to say. So I think there is a problem in demonizing the other side that we don't listen close enough to what people are actually saying. And by the way, I find much the same problem with CNN. If all I knew about Fox News were from CNN, I would think that everyone who got their news from Fox was terribly misinformed. I don't believe that.

I just have to respond to the "Russia thing." I think the collusion stuff was overblown and overplayed, the Steele dossier was rubbish, and there were too many democrats who wanted to believe the worst about Trump and his campaign. (Classic examples of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias.) BUT ... that doesn't mean there was nothing there. This was from the Republican led Senate Select Committee report that came out in August 2020:

It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modem era.

Again, no collusion, but definitely something to be concerned about.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modem era.

That's a round about way of saying they have nothing.

If they are referring to when Trump told the Russians (on national television), that if they had Hillary's server, to do what you do? Don't believe the bologna. Trump said that, but every person on the campaign trail says stupid shit, Trump is no different. And it isn't like they were waiting for his permission.

another thing that the media did to Trump that really galled me was how many times they twisted his words.
-Mexico only sends their criminals and rapists to America.
-We should shoot bleach into ourselves to counter the virus.

He said neither of these. Our media cherry-picks a quote and then adds words. When they get called on it, they post the retraction on page 12 (in very small print).

And I too enjoy the discussions without the name calling.
-enter Coug to call all of us conservatives hypocrites and redneck bigots'.....among other names.

[auroraave]

OK here are some newer things, but really ...

I think my "narrative" is about finding out what is true. And you know what? I bet yours are also. We all think we are trying to find out what is true.

So serious question: How do you decide what is true? Is there an objective reality that you can discern if you don't believe a large segment of the information that you locate online, in the news, and/or talking with people?

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-e ... 021-7?op=1

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... CoV-2.aspx

Where to even begin. I'd like to know specifically how you came across the article you posted in an effort to debunk WW's posting.
Did you google it? is so, what exactly did you google to get that particular article?
Did you read if before posting? The data was blatantly outdated, so, were you just lazy in vetting it? My initial reaction to it, was you either posted it to be antagonistic, knowing the data was obsolete, but it still fit a 'narrative', or you were simply lazy. I don't find you antagonistic, so I lean into the lazy theory. And you didn't answer the question - do you stand behind that article - do you believe it?

I'll tell you how I crunch info - but first, I'll tell you flat out that the NYT and WaPo are rags. They were great back in the day, when they did actual reporting, and I read them all the time - but they have since become blatant mouth pieces for the Dems - and that is not even debatable. They wouldn't even deny it - they're proud of it. How many Trump hit pieces did they write leading up to the election - that they later had to retract AFTER the election, after the damage was done? It was multiple - at least three I believe - ALL Anti-Trump fiction. Last one I remember was the "georgia conversation' that claimed Trump said (xyz) to a politician demanding they 'find his votes' with no sources or any verification - it was debunked when the audio tapes were released - but the 'story' led to a whole bunch of BS headlines and Trump derangement syndrome. I don't take anyone seriously that uses those outlets as legitimate information sources anymore - they are not. they are 100% propaganda. I find it very hard to believe you are not aware of this. You are admitting you get information from notoriously bias sources.

1. What specifically did you google search to find that article?
2. Do you still stand behind it?
3. Do you seriously consider NYT and WaPo to be credible and unbiased sources?