Kyle Seagers Production

[SeattleSportsRUs]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

Edgar is an amazing hitter no doubt.

But you also have to take into account that aside from 2001-2003, Ichiro hit in some of the worst lineups in Major League History. It's got to be easier taking walks and seeing better pitches when you are hitting around Jay Buhner, Ken Griffey Jr and Alex Rodriguez in a juiced up era of baseball. Ichiro might have hit .400 in some of the 90's M's lineups.

How bout the 2010 M's:

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

Seager should have been hitting clean-up at least the past 2 months with France or Toro ahead of him.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

Edgar is an amazing hitter no doubt.

But you also have to take into account that aside from 2001-2003, Ichiro hit in some of the worst lineups in Major League History. It's got to be easier taking walks and seeing better pitches when you are hitting around Jay Buhner, Ken Griffey Jr and Alex Rodriguez in a juiced up era of baseball. Ichiro might have hit .400 in some of the 90's M's lineups.

How bout the 2010 M's:

So if Ichiro wasn't getting as many good pitches to hit, he should have been drawing more walks. That's on him.

[SeattleSportsRUs]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

Edgar is an amazing hitter no doubt.

But you also have to take into account that aside from 2001-2003, Ichiro hit in some of the worst lineups in Major League History. It's got to be easier taking walks and seeing better pitches when you are hitting around Jay Buhner, Ken Griffey Jr and Alex Rodriguez in a juiced up era of baseball. Ichiro might have hit .400 in some of the 90's M's lineups.

How bout the 2010 M's:

So if Ichiro wasn't getting as many good pitches to hit, he should have been drawing more walks. That's on him.

It's kind of not though.

Better lineups have inflated numbers through out. Bad lineups drag everybody down.

The '97 Mariners had one hitter hit below a .800 OPS. Joey Cora had an .800 OPS. You think Ichiro wouldn't have outperformed Joey Cora in that lineup?

[D-train]

Another year of Seager (disgruntled or not)is the least of our worries. However, if they could exercise his option then immediately trade him that might not be so bad.

I wonder if the poison pill would still vest in that case. Only a $3 million difference though.

Is there a trade clause in his contract?

Yes, if he is traded the final year vests at $18M..Wow he might cost up to $20M next season.


Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
2012 24 Seattle Mariners $484,300 0.085 contracts
2013 25 Seattle Mariners $510,400 1.085 contracts
2014 26 Seattle Mariners $540,100 2.085 contracts
2015 27 Seattle Mariners $4,500,000 3.085 contracts
2016 28 Seattle Mariners $8,000,000 4.085
2017 29 Seattle Mariners $11,000,000 5.085 contracts
2018 30 Seattle Mariners $19,000,000 6.085
2019 31 Seattle Mariners $19,500,000 7.085 contract
2020 32 Seattle Mariners $19,500,000 8.085 contract
2021 33 Seattle Mariners $18,500,000 9.085
2022 34 Seattle Mariners *$15,000,000 $15M Team Option Option may increase to $20m and buyout may range from $0 to $3m

[D-train]

Guessing it isn't based on OBP so I bet he will hit on the incentives. Not sure a sub 300 OBP guy's worth $20M

[D-train]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

There are 15 guys with 30+ HRs Seager ranks 7th best K rate and Haniger ranks 6th best out of those 15 guys. Can't compare them to a bunch of slap hitters. But yes, Toro and France should hit above them. But its because of OBP not K rate.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 1&sort=5,d

[SeattleSportsRUs]

Guessing it isn't based on OBP so I bet he will hit on the incentives. Not sure a sub 300 OBP guy's worth $20M

Put a better lineup around him and I guarantee he gets back to around a .320+ OBP. If the Mariners are going to spend money like they say they are, the lineup should be much better next season.

He's worth his $15 million option.

Seager is actually 6th in baseball in home runs and 9th in RBI's in the fourth worst offense in baseball and second worst in OBP. That's crazy.

[D-train]

Guessing it isn't based on OBP so I bet he will hit on the incentives. Not sure a sub 300 OBP guy's worth $20M

Put a better lineup around him and I guarantee he gets back to around a .320+ OBP. If the Mariners are going to spend money like they say they are, the lineup should be much better next season.

He's worth his $15 million option.

Seager is actually 6th in baseball in home runs and 9th in RBI's in the fourth worst offense in baseball and second worst in OBP. That's crazy.

I would say he is worth $15M but looks like it is going to be $20M. Guessing it is just based on games played. Is he worth $20M?

[D-train]

Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger have the 15th and 16th highest strikeout totals in baseball this year. I believe both Toro and France should hit above them in the lineup. Interesting fact... Edgar led the league from the 3 hole and 4 hole in times on base three times, more than Ichiro. Even though you lose about 45-60 PA per season in the 3 or 4 hole opposed to leading off. Edgar reached base over three hundred times at least twice in a season.... Ichiro only once.

Edgar is an amazing hitter no doubt.

But you also have to take into account that aside from 2001-2003, Ichiro hit in some of the worst lineups in Major League History. It's got to be easier taking walks and seeing better pitches when you are hitting around Jay Buhner, Ken Griffey Jr and Alex Rodriguez in a juiced up era of baseball. Ichiro might have hit .400 in some of the 90's M's lineups.

How bout the 2010 M's:

Ichiro's best season was 2004 when he hit in a garbage lineup and the team sucked.