You could've said the same thing about Tyler O'Neill when we traded him.Coeurd’Alene J wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:17 pmSeattleSportsRUs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:43 amJarred Kelenic is not getting traded. Need to get that out of your heads.
They've invested so much of their future success on his shoulders. Over a 162-game season he was on pace for 23 bombs and 75 RBI's with just a .615 OPS. If he raises that to a .800+ OPS you're looking at a guy who will hit 35+ homers and drive in 100+ runs. Not out of the realm of possibility given what he showed in Sept/Oct. Not liking him because he was cocky and called out the M's doesn't change his projection. The M's think he's going to be really, really good.
Trades for big-name talent should happen with young players like Marte or Hancock who are 2 or so years away. The Indians trading JRam would also indicate a partial rebuild so younger players with lots of talent who they can get their hands on and mold should be the desired compensation.
Indians fans are convinced they don't need Marte because their farm system is middle-infielder rich. If they trade for Marte that doesn't mean they can't trade some of these guys for other talent. The Indians would be stupid to not consider a talent like Marte because they have other middle infield prospects. You acquire the best collection of talent you can for JRam and worry about the rest later. Truth be told, their middle infielders prospects are weaklings who best project to play 2B. Tyler Freeman has 0 power and will be a 2B. Andres Giminez is a worse JP Crawford. Brayan Rocchio probably has the best ceiling here with a bat, but he also projects to play 2B. Not exactly a riveting bunch.
Not to mention that if Marte were to make the move to 3B he'd be a direct replacement for JRam by 2023. Hell, they could sign someone like Kyle Seager as a 1-year hold over.
My offer for JRam would be Marte, Brash, Fraley + 2 or so super young prospects.
While the situation is a bit different, the Indians traded Lindor for back end top-100 prospect in Giminez, a mediocre SS in Amed Rosario, and 2x nobody 17 year olds who weren't in the Mets top-30 prospects.
That MLB trade values website seriously undervalues trade value of young prospects. The 2x young guys the Indians traded for would have had about 0 value on the website, but it's clear the Indians organization didn't value them as such.
The total investment for boy blunder amounts to a trade of an overpaid steroid abuser. Your Mr Atlas while carrying the city of Seattle on his ample shoulders could hit 35+ home runs anything is possible, He is also on pace for 7+ errors and 200 strikeouts per year. I can’t get that out of my head and this kid is no clubhouse leader either. He is looking more like Forrest Gump than Ken Griffey and it’s becoming more clear that cf isn’t exactly a perfect fit with the routes he takes to fly balls. I don’t expect him to carry this team and if and when he does I will change my online name to Crowmagnonman
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Trading a guy can be about roster construction as anything. If JK or Lewis are not projecting as a centerfielder that posses roster issues. The Mariners need a centerfielder, carrying both of them as corner outfielders becomes difficult
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Definitely next season with Mitch, who was one surgery away from being Colonel Steve Austin in the $6M dollar man.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 2:18 pmTrading a guy can be about roster construction as anything. If JK or Lewis are not projecting as a centerfielder that posses roster issues. The Mariners need a centerfielder, carrying both of them as corner outfielders becomes difficult
How about JRod. He played 13 games in CF last season and 55 as a pro.
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maybe they should go after bellinger
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I'd like to see France moved off of 1B. It's easier to find a power bat for your lineup at 1B. He's played 3B in the minors.
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Who are you thinking of? Really there is just Freeman who doesn't want to leave Atlanta. I guess Schwarber but I would think he would DH since he has only started 9 games at 1st.
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This year I'd be looking at trades. Doesn't Freeman live offseason in CA? I'd be fine with Freeman, lol.
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Not sure where he lives but he said he wants to stay in Atlanta. Maybe they can't afford him. Trade for Olson?ice99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:01 pmThis year I'd be looking at trades. Doesn't Freeman live offseason in CA? I'd be fine with Freeman, lol.
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Trade for Beer? Sign Belt as a stop gap? How well can Schwarber play there?
I guess I didn't see the Schwarber comment. He is a former catcher so he could be like Hatteburg.
I guess I didn't see the Schwarber comment. He is a former catcher so he could be like Hatteburg.
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I think they just weren't interested in trading him, and trading him for another veteran player, even a good one, probably seemed like more of a lateral move than an upgrade.Sexymarinersfan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 10:59 amThe Indians balked at a Teoscar Hernandez package. N. Marte and E. Hancock wouldn't even get us to the negotiating table for Jose Ramirez. If I'm the Guardiams, I'm asking for Julio or Kirby or both to get things started.