A 'Datt A Boy" for Penny

[Pharmabro]

The once glorious position of running back has been much maligned as of late.

Don't sign to 2nd -3rd contracts

Don't draft early, etc.

I have been pretty down on Penny, oft-injured and finally breaking 1000 yards total in his 3rd season.(Oh sorry his 4th season )

His rate stats?
5.1 yards a carry career.
76% catch %

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

All that said I will give him a shout out for the good game he had Sunday. Poorly rated defense taken with prescribed grains of salt

[D-train]

Penny was a bad draft pick. That's pretty obvious at this point. If you predicted that at the time and were proven right, pat yourself
on the back if you want.

But, it seems like you can't even discuss the dude, good or bad, without a rehash of the decision to draft him where they did.

My bias is I really like the kid based on interviews and it bums me out that he hasn't been healthy. I'm a little surprised he made
it back at all, let alone popped a big game like that. I get it that he was facing a shitty run defense and this game doesn't mean
much unless he can finish off the season as a useful productive RB. But if he does, I'd like to see the Seahawks try to keep him
for a low level "prove it" deal. Obviously we still need to find a Number One RB.

Yeah, he isn't a police abusing idiot like our first pick the year before or even a bad guy. He did come in overweight due to a finger injury but that is really the only mark against him. However, its BEYOND ironic that one of our fellow posters slams our HOF QB for his unrelated business interests but defends Penny who is unequivocally one of the top 5 busts in franchise history. Even feeling the need to insult people for stating the obvious.

The Ringer’s Rodger Sherman named Rashaad Penny (and brother Elijhaa) as a Week 14 winner for “The Pennyssaince.”

Rashaad Penny has been a one-man argument against drafting running backs in the first round. It’s true that part of the reason the Seahawks’ 2018 first-round pick has been unproductive is a stunning number of injuries — he tore an ACL in 2019, missed games with a knee injury in 2018 and a hamstring injury in 2019, and hit the IR this year with a calf strain — but guess what, running backs get injured a lot. And even when healthy, Penny has never been able to displace Chris Carson — a seventh-round pick in the 2017 draft. Meanwhile, other backs from the 2018 draft have done fine — Pro Bowler Nick Chubb was taken eight picks after Penny, and seven players selected after him have more career rushing yards. But now, Seahawks fans will have at least one positive memory of Penny. Sunday, he got just the second start of his four-year career — and he looked incredible. Coming into Sunday, Penny had 78 yards on the season. He nearly doubled that Sunday with a career-high 137 yards to go with two touchdowns. It does feel like Penny may be better than his reputation. Sunday was just the seventh time in his career that he has gotten 10 carries, and he has hit 100 yards in three of those games. It may be too late to turn around his Seahawks career — but he might be of help to your fantasy team in the playoffs.

[Pharmabro]

This post is so absurd on every level its is not even worth addressing. But yeah, you got us. We were completely despondent and heart broken watching Penny's big TD runs yesterday and we always complain when we lose at black jack.

+1

I don't root for him to fail... I expect him to fail based on past experience, and I laugh at it because at this point it's just funny, but I love seeing him have a big game. He literally looked like a COMPLETELY different guy Sunday.

The man can run thru a wide open hole and is big and fast enough that when he does, he looks good, and his stats reflect it. The problem is when there isn't a giant hole (like happens when you go against a horrible defense that can't tackle), he has no shiftiness, no vision, and can't break a tackle.

If he ran behind a dominant O-line, he'd have a good year, until he got hurt. With the mediocre-at-best O-Line we have, we need a YAC beast like Lynch or Carson, or somebody shifty like Collins.

What you are saying does not make sense. He has a 5.1 career YPC. That is awesome. He performs fine when he is healthy enough to go out there and do it. The problem is he got behind Carson and even when Carson has not been healthy neither has Penny.

[Captain 97]

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

I don't agree with this at all. He never had the tools to be a first round pick. There wasn't a single mock draft out there that had him as a first rounder. Its true that he has been hurt a lot but he has been terrible when he was healthy too. One game where he ran for 137 yards against a defense that allows an average 148 rushing yards per game doesn't change that fact.

[Pharmabro]

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

I don't agree with this at all. He never had the tools to be a first round pick. There wasn't a single mock draft out there that had him as a first rounder. Its true that he has been hurt a lot but he has been terrible when he was healthy too. One game where he ran for 137 yards against a defense that allows an average 148 rushing yards per game doesn't change that fact.

How the fk. is a 5.1 YPC average not good rate production?
Even reception percentage is pretty good= 76%?

[D-train]

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

I don't agree with this at all. He never had the tools to be a first round pick. There wasn't a single mock draft out there that had him as a first rounder. Its true that he has been hurt a lot but he has been terrible when he was healthy too. One game where he ran for 137 yards against a defense that allows an average 148 rushing yards per game doesn't change that fact.

Also, prior this game he had 78 yards on 27 carries (2.9 yds./attempt) vs. non horrid run defenses.

And you can't extrapolate ypc stats of a guy that comes in well rested as a change of pace type back that puts up 5.1 ypc to a full season of being a number one back.

[D-train]

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

I don't agree with this at all. He never had the tools to be a first round pick. There wasn't a single mock draft out there that had him as a first rounder. Its true that he has been hurt a lot but he has been terrible when he was healthy too. One game where he ran for 137 yards against a defense that allows an average 148 rushing yards per game doesn't change that fact.

How the fk. is a 5.1 YPC average not good rate production?
Even reception percentage is pretty good= 76%?

Dylan Moore put up a .855 OPS in 2020. SSS that doesn't translate to a full season just like with Penny. This likely begins to play out on Sunday.

[trharder]

but guess what, running backs get injured a lot. And even when healthy, Penny has never been able to displace Chris Carson — a seventh-round pick in the 2017 draft. Meanwhile, other backs from the 2018 draft have done fine — Pro Bowler Nick Chubb was taken eight picks after Penny, and seven players selected after him have more career rushing yards.

Yeah, well, bad news. Carson may be toast. The conversation has changed.
Going back to Nick chubb is just more aggrandizing the flop of the Penny pick, Which I think should be a dead horse at this point.

[Pharmabro]

He has always had the physical tools of a 1st Rd. back he just has never been healthy when Carson was not.

I don't agree with this at all. He never had the tools to be a first round pick. There wasn't a single mock draft out there that had him as a first rounder. Its true that he has been hurt a lot but he has been terrible when he was healthy too. One game where he ran for 137 yards against a defense that allows an average 148 rushing yards per game doesn't change that fact.

Also, prior this game he had 78 yards on 27 carries (2.9 yds./attempt) vs. non horrid run defenses.

And you can't extrapolate ypc stats of a guy that comes in well rested as a change of pace type back that puts up 5.1 ypc to a full season of being a number one back.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... nnRa00.htm

If anyone is too lazy
YPC by year
2018 4.9 on 85 carries
2019 5.7 on 65 carries
2020 3.1 on 11 carries
2021 5.0 on 43 carries
total 5.1 yards/carry career.

To me a 5.1 yard / carry indicates he has the physical gifts required to be a successful NFL running back. Injuries have been his downfall.

Someone tried to "proclaim" he did not have the 1st round abilities and nobody had them in the 1st on the draft board.
He is a 5'11" 220# dude that was also a returner in college. The 4.46 speed is fine for a power/speed/shifty combination he has. Again I point at his career YPC and his fine pass-catching performance.

Seriously, is there anyone here that would turn up there nose at an RB who averages 5.1 YPC and catches 80% of balls thrown his way?

All time YPC NFL history recognize anyone?
1 Michael Vick 7.0 2001-2015 4TM
2 Randall Cunningham 6.4 1985-2001 4TM
3 Marion Motley+ 5.7 1946-1955 2TM
4 Russell Wilson 5.6 2012-2021 sea
5 Jamaal Charles 5.4 2008-2018 3TM
6 Nick Chubb 5.3 2018-2021 cle
7 Jim Brown+ 5.2 1957-1965 cle
8 Mercury Morris 5.1 1969-1976 2TM
9 Joe Perry+ 5.0 1948-1963 2TM
Aaron Jones 5.0 2017-2021 gnb
Cam Newton 5.0 2011-2021 2TM
Gale Sayers+ 5.0 1965-1971 chi
Barry Sanders+ 5.0 1989-1998 det
14 Napoleon Kaufman 4.9 1995-2000 rai


If he was healthy enough to qualify for number of carries Penny's 5.1 YPC would be # tied for 4-5th with Mersury Morris. A lot of QBs have high averages needless to say. Russ I still 3rd among QBs behind only Vick and Cunningham.

[D-train]

You know who is averaging 5.6 Yards per carry this season? NFL legend, Tony Pollard. A guy I have NEVER even heard of. Damn he would be the one of the best RBs in NFL history if the Cowboys just made him the number one back.

And he is even averaging 5.1 in his career. Now why don't those dumb Cowboys give him 25+ carries a game instead of the 8-10 they give him??? He would be the next Emmitt Smith. lol

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_ ... ny-pollard