Supermen vs. Clark Kent State Game thread

[Michael K.]

Let's refresh your memory on the 2nd greatest coach UW ever had:
Bowl appearances:
2014 Cactus Bowl vs. Oklahoma State -- Loss 22-30
2015 Heart of Dallas Bowl vs. Southern Miss Golden Eagles -- Win 44-31
2016 Peach Bowl vs. Alabama -- Loss 7-24
2017 Fiesta Bowl vs. Penn State -- Loss 28-35
2018 Rose Bowl vs. Ohio State -- Loss 23-28
2019 Vegas Bowl vs. Boise State -- Win 38-7

By my counting that is 2 for 6 in bowl games.
Or 2 wins and 4 losses

But the 2nd greatest of all time.

Again, give me this long list of illustrious coaches that were winning all kinds of New Year's day Bowl games? Fuck, after James, you got one from Slick Rick, otherwise we didn't even go to a Major Bowl game until Pete. So, again, tell me all of these guys better? I'll wait.

You are still smarting from all the shit you talked about him, and reaching for straws.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Top five? Even if I give you Owens? You are telling me you can come up with two others better than Pete?

Slick Rick was a joke. He had one year, and he won with someone else's recruits.

You're truly laboring over this, aren't you?

Top 5 is still top 5.

Just so you know, Rick has a .675 winning percentage with Lambo's kids. How exactly did Lambo do with those kids the year before?
Peterson has a .679 winning percentage.

How far do you want to take this?

All of Slick Rick's offenses were more enjoyable to watch than any of Petersons. As a matter of fact, I recall you continually venting about Jon Smith's offenses. But that was Smith's issues, not the almighty Peterson? [Major eyeroll]

I don't just look at win percentages, but quite a few coaches have better than both Peterson and Rick.
Gil Dobie has a 975 winning percentage in 61 games.
Peterson has a .679 in 81 games....but couldn't win the bowl games.
Newheisel has a .675 in 49 games.....a 2nd place to the national championship in 2001.
James has a .726 in 212 games.....one recognized national championship - Should be two.
Owens has a .545 in 187 games.....but a national championship.

And who among the University of Washington has been enshrined into the College Football Hall of Fame:
Gil Dobie
James Phelan
Darrell Royal
Jim Owens
Don James
[no Chris Peterson, but I assume he will some day]

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

You are still smarting from all the shit you talked about him, and reaching for straws.

How am I still 'smarting' about the shit I said about Peterson?

What did I say that wasn't correct?
He did coach in a JV league.
I wanted him to prove he DESERVERD to be here.

How is any of that 'smarting'.
It seems to me you are butt-hurt because I put you in your place with the Montana stats from last year and now you need this win.
Whatever dude.

Actually, I am more irritated that you cannot allow anyone to have a differing opinion than you.
Total douche move and something I expect from screaming liberals. Are you left of center because you sure act like it by arguing feelings like they are facts. Arguing opinion like they are facts.

You can pray at whatever shrine you like.
I'm done.

[Michael K.]

Put me in my place. OK. If you say so.

That offense was stupid. They repestedly ran tight formations against a loaded box, and out themselves in terrible second and third down situations. It was STUPID offensive football. Kent State was over matched Saturday, you still saw a smart coach use his weapons, spread the field, attack the defense. Last year's staff was one of the worst I've ever seen.

I never said I didn't complain about Smith or Hamden, but they both look like fuckinf McVey compared to the idiot that ran the offense last year...and Donovan is just a chip off the Lake block.

Lake was a big time coordinator from a Power 5 school and Donovan coached in the NFL. Give me the guys from Boise St and Fresno St over that bullshit anyway!

And please, give the Slick Rick shit a rest. He had one year, with someone else's players.

[D-train]

So, be skeptical until he "proves it", or "follow blindly"?

I guess if I only have those twi ridiculous options, I'll follow blindly. I love that you had this same argument about Petersen, yet somehow think it's valid.

Kent State and Boise State. Our two best coaches came from those two schools, yet the guy from Fresno State ain't shit until you shows you? Why not decide that he IS THE SHIT, until he shows you otherwise?

With Lake and Morris? We are 0 and 1 right now. You guys think Saturday's run defense was bad? Jimmy's five man front would have gotten demolished. Morris would have sucked, we'd have given up 200 yards plus rushing, but at least we never gave up a deep ball!

After Don James we had one good season when Lambrights guys played for Slick Rick. Otherwise it was 6 to 8 wins, yet some in here act like we should have been hiring Saben or Dabo!

We got a bright young offensive mind that played a style of football on Saturday that was fun to watch. Browning might have been a Sophomore the last time I said that. I am going to enjoy this. I think with our schedule 7 games is the floor. With Morris and Lake? 4 would have been the ceiling.

These kids added muscle and lost 4% body fat is what I hears. Let that sink in. We are going to be good, very good in a few years. If we can keep this staff. But ridiculous expectations is a real good way to chase off another guy.

Yes, need to hire winning HCs from Power 5 conferences. Can't believe Jen Cowen couldn't just show a little cleavage and get Dabo Swinney or Saban to come to Montlake.....lol

[D-train]

Wow. I only read the first two paragraphs of your post before you mentioned same two guys that I did. Hilarious.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Let's take a look at Slick Rick:
The year after he became head coach to his "retirement":
1998 Lambo's last season he had a 6-6 record and lost in the Oahu Classic

1999 Rick's first season he had a 7-5 record and lost in the Holiday Bowl [this is what he did with Lambo's recruits]
2000 Rich had a 11-1 season and won the Rose Bowl - two years removed from Lambo
2001 a 8-4 record and lost the Holiday Bowl
2002 a 7-6 record and lost the Sun Bowl

2003 coach was Gilbertson

Honestly, it seems both Rick and Peterson were pretty similar in records and bowl outcomes. But Rick actually won a big bowl, whereas Peterson never did.

So although it is not incorrect to say he won with Lambo's recruits, he also had his own. But it's safe to say the recruits didn't matter because that entire season was won because of Matt Tuiasospo at QB. Tuiasospo was going to go to UW no matter who the coach was (his parents went to UW and local kid).

[D-train]

KDB bringing in Penix was worth this years salary alone and earns him a long leash imo.

While I agree that Boise St. is in a "JV" league, taking JV recruits and consistently beating Varsity teams in big games including bowl games is even more impressive than coming from a power 5 conference imo.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Dobie

Gil Dobie
32 years of coaching
Only 2 losing seasons

Coached at UW from
1908
1916
Record is 58-0-3

Had 3 straight national championships while coaching at Cornell after his tenure at UW.

The thing that get me is that he only had 2 losing seasons in 32 years.
THAT IS IMPRESSIVE

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

KDB bringing in Penix was worth this years salary alone and earns him a long leash imo.

While I agree that Boise St. is in a "JV" league, taking JV recruits and consistently beating Varsity teams in big games including bowl games is even more impressive than coming from a power 5 conference imo.

And I can understand this as well. But you must account for not having to game plan for most of your league because your team has so much more talent than most of the others.

At no point have I said Peterson or DeBoer aren't good coaches, I just want him to prove it. Peterson only lasted 6 years at UW, why? Do you think the rigors of continually have to game plan for a power 5 conference may be a bit more taxing than game planning for the MW?

And the elephant in the room is the Bowl Record....but Michael doesn't want to discuss that.