Stone on the debacle

[Juliooooo]

You're basically saying that since Munoz and Seawald struggled that Boyd or Swanson would have struggled as well. That's Illogical.

We don't know what they would have done. Neither had been asked to pitch much in high leverage, and especially not against a hitter as good as Alvarez. Preferring to use them is understandable. Acting like it's an easy decision is what I disagree with. There were only bad options.

What season did you watch? Swanson pitched in high leverage situations all the time. Boyd is literally only here to face tough lefties. How many times was Robbie Ray in a high leverage situation this year? ZERO! He never made it past the 7th inning.

They certainly tried to avoid him late in games and with small leads. Most of his appearances were either before the 8th, with a bigger lead, or in extra innings. He was 4th or 5th in line most of the season.

[Millikin]

What season did you watch? Swanson pitched in high leverage situations all the time. Boyd is literally only here to face tough lefties. How many times was Robbie Ray in a high leverage situation this year? ZERO! He never made it past the 7th inning.

You are moving the target. Neither of them are used in Save situations. High Leverage? So, in Boyd's case he is never asked to close the game, Swanson almost never, but they can be used in a situation they have been asked, but last year's fucking Cy Young winner can't? Leftie on Leftie, former Cy Young, or Rightie on Leftie with three saves, or Leftie on Leftie with no saves ever.

LOL, and this place thinks Cy Young was the ONLY bad decision. SMH

Cy Young was statistically the worst possible decision.

[bpj]

About 1/6th of Swansons appearances this season were "High Leverage", amounting to about 8 innings this season. Not much, but he had done it before, and the only reason he hadn't done it more was because we had better options. It's not a knock on Swanson.

Boyd was a badass for us since he got here, this was basically what he was here for. Left handed opponents had a .317 OPS against Boyd this season. That's OPS, not AVG.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

Defend it all you want, but they took a big chance and it backfired. They deserve every bit of blame they get.

[Michael K.]

For the millionth time its not hind site. Most of us were calling this out as a bad decision before Ray through his first pitch.
The managers job is to put your team in a position to compete between the lines and if they lose they lose. Sometimes the other team is better on that given day and that is unavoidable. Making desperate moves like putting a struggling starter in the game as a reliever when their are obviously better options is completely avoidable and completely inexcusable.

And for the millionth time, non of the options were good ones. You're excuse that Ray has never done that is a bad one, because Swanson and Boyd don't either. So, you move the needle, and change Save situation to "high leverage". Fuck, Robbie never pitches in a high leverage situation? Give me a break.

I fucking promise you, every one of you ripping him for this move would have blasted him for ANY move that didn't work out. Swanson, Boyd, Walk Alvarez, doesn't matter. Players get off Scot free regardless because Scott would be blamed.

[Michael K.]

Cy Young was statistically the worst possible decision.

Because the batter was 1 for 3 on him?

[bpj]

For the millionth time its not hind site. Most of us were calling this out as a bad decision before Ray through his first pitch.
The managers job is to put your team in a position to compete between the lines and if they lose they lose. Sometimes the other team is better on that given day and that is unavoidable. Making desperate moves like putting a struggling starter in the game as a reliever when their are obviously better options is completely avoidable and completely inexcusable.

And for the millionth time, non of the options were good ones. You're excuse that Ray has never done that is a bad one, because Swanson and Boyd don't either. So, you move the needle, and change Save situation to "high leverage". Fuck, Robbie never pitches in a high leverage situation? Give me a break.

I fucking promise you, every one of you ripping him for this move would have blasted him for ANY move that didn't work out. Swanson, Boyd, Walk Alvarez, doesn't matter. Players get off Scot free regardless because Scott would be blamed.

Yeah, he does. And all year he's been worse at them than Swanson or Boyd.

Left handed hitters had a .517 OPS against Swanson, a .317 OPS against Boyd and a .647 OPS against Ray this season.

It wasn't even a tough decision. Ray is the last guy you want in there besides maybe Marco.

[D-train]

About 1/6th of Swansons appearances this season were "High Leverage", amounting to about 8 innings this season. Not much, but he had done it before, and the only reason he hadn't done it more was because we had better options. It's not a knock on Swanson.

Boyd was a badass for us since he got here, this was basically what he was here for. Left handed opponents had a .317 OPS against Boyd this season. That's OPS, not AVG.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

Defend it all you want, but they took a big chance and it backfired. They deserve every bit of blame they get.

Yep the CY Young trophy sitting on Ray's shelf in his Den at home for his performance LAST season is irrelevant. He had been pitching like shit for a while including just 3 days prior.

[Michael K.]

About 1/6th of Swansons appearances this season were "High Leverage", amounting to about 8 innings this season. Not much, but he had done it before, and the only reason he hadn't done it more was because we had better options. It's not a knock on Swanson.

Boyd was a badass for us since he got here, this was basically what he was here for. Left handed opponents had a .317 OPS against Boyd this season. That's OPS, not AVG.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

Defend it all you want, but they took a big chance and it backfired. They deserve every bit of blame they get.

I get it, but you are saying Robbie Ray hasn't pitched 8 high leverage innings this year?

I get the Boyd reasoning, but again, you CAN'T use the argument that Ray isn't used in those situations so it was a bad move and then say the guy with 8 years in the Majors and ZERO saves is the way to go. Doesn't work both ways.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

That is the best one sentence answer yet. And one I don't disagree with. Sucks, and I wish he hadn't thrown the second fastball. I just think many are over simplifying this. I promise you, if they went to Boyd and he gave up the moon shot, many in here would have blasted SS for using a guy in that situation who has zero saves in 8 years.

Players need to make plays, and our last three pitchers sucked ass....yet we act like the two guys that didn't get in obviously wouldn't have. Just rired of reading SS can't manage a bullpen. Fucking A, we blew our first 7th inning lead to Cleveland in August! That is pretty fucking impressive. The graphic might have actually been first two run lead, but still. The guy who got them to mid August like that, can't manage a bullpen?

This team has a dogshit offense, and has for two years, in comparison to playoff teams. And we were one game away last year and playing in the ALDS this year. SS is doing something right. Just blows me away how many guys in here seem to think that all it would take is this move or that move by SS and all of a sudden we are in the World Series. This team is limited, and that is why we lost. The game was set up, just the way SS wanted it, and two guys that make a lot of money flat out fucking blew it. Maybe another pitcher not Robbie Ray gets that out, but good lord, make the outs before. Munoz fucked up when he allowed them to even have Altuve as the third hitter in inning 9, and that fucker Sewald doubled down that mistake by walking some chump rookie in the 9 hole that what, swung the bat once in his six pitch AB?

Players lost this game, yet if he had gone to Boyd and Boyd gave up the homer, SS still would have received the blame. I don't get it. Most of the guys bitching about SS for losing the game also bitch about the Front Office for not adding enough talent! Ridiculous. Either we don't have talent, or the manager misused the talent, but not in this place. It's both.

[Michael K.]

About 1/6th of Swansons appearances this season were "High Leverage", amounting to about 8 innings this season. Not much, but he had done it before, and the only reason he hadn't done it more was because we had better options. It's not a knock on Swanson.

Boyd was a badass for us since he got here, this was basically what he was here for. Left handed opponents had a .317 OPS against Boyd this season. That's OPS, not AVG.

Ray was a struggling starter they took out of the rotation in his first relief appearance with the game on the line against one of the top hitters in the game.

Defend it all you want, but they took a big chance and it backfired. They deserve every bit of blame they get.

Yep the CY Young trophy sitting on Ray's shelf in his Den at home for his performance LAST season is irrelevant. He had been pitching like shit for a while including just 3 days prior.

Jesus, stop it. Three days prior he should have been in the bullpen just like he was yesterday. What leftie should start a playoff game in Toronto against that lineup? You want to start with how Servais fucked up? He might have ruined Robbie in Toronto. THAT was fucking stupid.

[bpj]

SS and Dipoto are pieces of shit. The team is winning despite their negative contributions.

Dipoto has had aeons as a failed GM and has finally put together a team that didn't suck, despite not filling the obvious holes in the offseason. Congratulations to the players for overcoming the obvious hole he put you in.

I already pointed out Ray had the worst numbers of any of them, he's the last one I would put out there.

What happened is the Mariners knew they weren't keeping their $100M pitcher happy by removing him from the rotation and then nit using him when the situation called for it.

There's nothing in any of the numbers to suggest Ray was the right guy. Well, except that $100M dollar number.