My Off Season Plan

[D-train]

Exactly, they all have questions marks including Haniger

Yep.

And Haniger might very well go off for another team next year.

But I'm gonna put my money on someone who actually put together a fantastic year in 2022 over a guy with a busted nut, who misses 4 months with a sprained ankle and another guy who didn't even play baseball.

Pederson seems like a better option than most of the guys out there

Yep, always like him and him being LH which means less negative T Mobile impact and the fact he killed it in SF is huge positive. Would it be buy high? Probably but it is because other teams will be rightfully in on him as well vs. Conforto and all his s More important things in like than a little bit of money especially when it is Billionaire's money.

[D-train]

It's early in the offseason, but before knowing which teams are going to tear it down and which will build around their good players, this is what I would have as Plan A, considering that I don't think Dipoto wants to spend.

I don't expect Dipoto to be anywhere near Judge or the SS's.

He will continue with his miserly ways, because that's how he wants it, and he's probably not wrong given how those contracts end up- this may be the cheapest, best roster they could possibly put together imo-

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We're in the same situation as what they needed to do the last couple seasons, they need to add at the top of the roster instead of the bottom so the guys we have now can be the depth instead of being the Plan A.

They can add 4 bats without even worrying about disrupting the roster too much, just replace Kelenic, Toro, Frazier and Torrens.

1) Replace Kelenic with Bryan Reynolds. Reynolds is what they hoped Kelenic was. Stash Kelenic in AAA if you want to keep him. (Kelenic 55 wRC+, Reynolds 124 wRC+)
2) Toro's at bats replaced by Dylan Moore/Sam Haggerty/Ty France (Toro 62 wRC+, others ~100 wRC+ conservatively)
3) Trade for Christian Walker, 1B, as a bonus bat. (France 127 wRC+, Walker 122 wRC+, this move is just about adding another good bat to the lineup, Walker happens to be cheap like Dipoto prefers)

Side note- Walker because the more expensive free agent options, Jose Abreu and Josh Bell had 15 and 17 Homeruns to Walker's 36.

4) Frazier gets replaced by Ty France and Dylan Moore (Frazier 81 wRC+, France 127 wRC+)
5) Torrens replaced by Tom Murphy. (Torrens 72 wRC+, Murphy 168 wRC+, can at least plan on 100)
6) Only leaves 1 Free Agent position player to sign, Joc Pederson

That's replacing 5 guys who had a cumulative wRC+ of 397 with replacements that had cumulative wRC+ of ~573, plus the addition of Joc Pederson.

Let Moore get his at bats as defensive replacement for France once we've gotten a lead, or as replacement for Crawford when we're facing a lefty that day. We have the type of pitching rotation that can live if we go with a bat-first player at one position.

New Lineup

Reynolds RF (124 wRC+)
Julio CF (146)
Pederson DH (144)
Suarez 3B (131)
Raleigh/Murphy C (121)
France/Moore 2B (127)
Walker 1B (122)
Winker/Moore LF (108/126)
Crawford/Moore SS (104/126)

Bench: Moore/Trammell or Haggerty/Murphy

Might be the cheapest, best roster they could pull off. That's a deep lineup with your 8/9 batters being 8% and 4% better than league average bats.

Walker, $4M
Reynolds $6.75M
Pederson assuming $15M/yr

That's 3 additions with OPS's of .804, .806, and .874 for less than half the cost of one of the SS's (Turner, .809 OPS / Bogaerts, .833 / Swanson, .776 / Correa, .833). THREE great hitters for what one SS would cost, and each of them are similar quality hitters to the SS's.

Probably have to use Hancock to get Reynolds, so we'll have Flexen or Marco in the #5 rotation spot. Trade the other.

Total 2023 Payroll (minus Flexen, plus new guys as listed): $131.25M

https://giphy.com/explore/standingovation

[D-train]

Speaking of Judge he put up 11.5 WAR. Geno, France, JP, Frazier and Winker combined for 10.1 WAR

[desbcoach]

It's early in the offseason, but before knowing which teams are going to tear it down and which will build around their good players, this is what I would have as Plan A, considering that I don't think Dipoto wants to spend.

I don't expect Dipoto to be anywhere near Judge or the SS's.

He will continue with his miserly ways, because that's how he wants it, and he's probably not wrong given how those contracts end up- this may be the cheapest, best roster they could possibly put together imo-

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

We're in the same situation as what they needed to do the last couple seasons, they need to add at the top of the roster instead of the bottom so the guys we have now can be the depth instead of being the Plan A.

They can add 4 bats without even worrying about disrupting the roster too much, just replace Kelenic, Toro, Frazier and Torrens.

1) Replace Kelenic with Bryan Reynolds. Reynolds is what they hoped Kelenic was. Stash Kelenic in AAA if you want to keep him. (Kelenic 55 wRC+, Reynolds 124 wRC+)
2) Toro's at bats replaced by Dylan Moore/Sam Haggerty/Ty France (Toro 62 wRC+, others ~100 wRC+ conservatively)
3) Trade for Christian Walker, 1B, as a bonus bat. (France 127 wRC+, Walker 122 wRC+, this move is just about adding another good bat to the lineup, Walker happens to be cheap like Dipoto prefers)

Side note- Walker because the more expensive free agent options, Jose Abreu and Josh Bell had 15 and 17 Homeruns to Walker's 36.

4) Frazier gets replaced by Ty France and Dylan Moore (Frazier 81 wRC+, France 127 wRC+)
5) Torrens replaced by Tom Murphy. (Torrens 72 wRC+, Murphy 168 wRC+, can at least plan on 100)
6) Only leaves 1 Free Agent position player to sign, Joc Pederson

That's replacing 5 guys who had a cumulative wRC+ of 397 with replacements that had cumulative wRC+ of ~573, plus the addition of Joc Pederson.

Let Moore get his at bats as defensive replacement for France once we've gotten a lead, or as replacement for Crawford when we're facing a lefty that day. We have the type of pitching rotation that can live if we go with a bat-first player at one position.

New Lineup

Reynolds RF (124 wRC+)
Julio CF (146)
Pederson DH (144)
Suarez 3B (131)
Raleigh/Murphy C (121)
France/Moore 2B (127)
Walker 1B (122)
Winker/Moore LF (108/126)
Crawford/Moore SS (104/126)

Bench: Moore/Trammell or Haggerty/Murphy

Might be the cheapest, best roster they could pull off. That's a deep lineup with your 8/9 batters being 8% and 4% better than league average bats.

Walker, $4M
Reynolds $6.75M
Pederson assuming $15M/yr

That's 3 additions with OPS's of .804, .806, and .874 for less than half the cost of one of the SS's (Turner, .809 OPS / Bogaerts, .833 / Swanson, .776 / Correa, .833). THREE great hitters for what one SS would cost, and each of them are similar quality hitters to the SS's.

Probably have to use Hancock to get Reynolds, so we'll have Flexen or Marco in the #5 rotation spot. Trade the other.

Total 2023 Payroll (minus Flexen, plus new guys as listed): $131.25M

Your thoughts IMO are accurate on Dipoto will do, mix in what DT said on another thread about OF and that is how I would expect things to happen. He showed with Castillo trade he was willing to let a good prospect to. We can afford to lose 1 of Hancock or Miller and put the other in pen of need for some seasoning. What I like not that it matters is thought process falls in-line with history and still leaves money to add later and sign his own guys if he likes also allow for maybe some -laying time in future for a deloach or marlow if earned. Marlow will get a shot during ST,but wouldn’t count on him a fixture

[harmony]

It's early in the offseason, but before knowing which teams are going to tear it down and which will build around their good players, this is what I would have as Plan A, considering that I don't think Dipoto wants to spend.

I don't expect Dipoto to be anywhere near Judge or the SS's.

He will continue with his miserly ways, because that's how he wants it, and he's probably not wrong given how those contracts end up- this may be the cheapest, best roster they could possibly put together imo-

We're in the same situation as what they needed to do the last couple seasons, they need to add at the top of the roster instead of the bottom so the guys we have now can be the depth instead of being the Plan A.

They can add 4 bats without even worrying about disrupting the roster too much, just replace Kelenic, Toro, Frazier and Torrens.

1) Replace Kelenic with Bryan Reynolds. Reynolds is what they hoped Kelenic was. Stash Kelenic in AAA if you want to keep him. (Kelenic 55 wRC+, Reynolds 124 wRC+)
2) Toro's at bats replaced by Dylan Moore/Sam Haggerty/Ty France (Toro 62 wRC+, others ~100 wRC+ conservatively)
3) Trade for Christian Walker, 1B, as a bonus bat. (France 127 wRC+, Walker 122 wRC+, this move is just about adding another good bat to the lineup, Walker happens to be cheap like Dipoto prefers)

Probably have to use Hancock to get Reynolds, so we'll have Flexen or Marco in the #5 rotation spot. Trade the other.

Total 2023 Payroll (minus Flexen, plus new guys as listed): $131.25M

Baseball Trade Values assigns surplus trade values of $47.9 million to Bryan Reynolds and $6.6 million to Emerson Hancock. The Mariners would need to add significant pieces to get the Pirates' attention.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/9226/

A year ago the Pirates reportedly wanted Julio Rodriguez in a trade of Reynolds. Perhaps the price has come down but the Pirates are likely to target a Top 20 prospect.

[Seattle or Bust]

You've got to give credit to a team like the Indians for potentially making it past the the Yankees and getting to the ALCS on such a limited payroll. But they aren't winning the ALCS or World Series (if they get there). They're basically a worse version of the recent Rays teams. They'll eventually get "out talented." Just like the M's did...

9 of the top 12 teams payroll wise made the playoffs. 6 of them moved forward to the division series. At least 3, possibly 4, will make it through to the ALCS or NLCS.

Spending money on premium talent is the sure fire way to thrust your team into contention so long as you have a quality core already built (so, unlike the Angels and Rangers).

I don't think Dipoto is unaware of this. I don't think they'll go the cheap route.

[seattlefan-daBronx]

You've got to give credit to a team like the Indians for potentially making it past the the Yankees and getting to the ALCS on such a limited payroll. But they aren't winning the ALCS or World Series (if they get there). They're basically a worse version of the recent Rays teams. They'll eventually get "out talented." Just like the M's did...

9 of the top 12 teams payroll wise made the playoffs. 6 of them moved forward to the division series. At least 3, possibly 4, will make it through to the ALCS or NLCS.

Spending money on premium talent is the sure fire way to thrust your team into contention so long as you have a quality core already built (so, unlike the Angels and Rangers).

I don't think Dipoto is unaware of this. I don't think they'll go the cheap route.

That should be the new MLB 2023 World Series campaign slogan "You can win it if your in it but you got to pay to play"!

[Seattle or Bust]

You've got to give credit to a team like the Indians for potentially making it past the the Yankees and getting to the ALCS on such a limited payroll. But they aren't winning the ALCS or World Series (if they get there). They're basically a worse version of the recent Rays teams. They'll eventually get "out talented." Just like the M's did...

9 of the top 12 teams payroll wise made the playoffs. 6 of them moved forward to the division series. At least 3, possibly 4, will make it through to the ALCS or NLCS.

Spending money on premium talent is the sure fire way to thrust your team into contention so long as you have a quality core already built (so, unlike the Angels and Rangers).

I don't think Dipoto is unaware of this. I don't think they'll go the cheap route.

That should be the new MLB 2023 World Series campaign slogan "You can win it if your in it but you got to pay to play"!

Ya it's unfortunate.

I wish there was a salary cap and floor in baseball.

[D-train]

Just checked and including the past week or so of the season and the playoffs, JK finished up 3-35 further Cementing the fact that he STILL can't hit MLB pitching. If you recall, his initial "hot" start was vs. mostly terrible pitching. Starting him over Trammell EVERY game was a mistake and hopefully a last gasp effort which will eliminate any resistance by the fan base to trade his ass.

[Donn Beach]

Don't think they are looking at slash line numbers as indicating an improvement

.Kelenic does enter the postseason with only one hit in his past 23 at-bats, and he was hit by a pitch in the chest Tuesday. He’s been a little unlucky, Dipoto intimated.

But the batted-ball data suggests Kelenic is on the right track, and he’ll get his chances this postseason to continue to prove that.

“His raw results have not been close to how good his process has been,” Dipoto said. “… Now we see it coming together in a very different way than it had been before. He could go out and have a dynamic postseason and then use it as a springboard toward becoming the big-league player that he was always going to be. Or he could just continue to adhere to a good process and excite us just as much, because this guy just turned 23 years old. There’s so much baseball in front of him, and again I can’t express how proud I am of him.”