Official Draft pick position watch thread

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Post by Donn Beach » Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:51 am

You're figuring that's all you need him for? You're drafting a QB.

Guess there are cap issues with using a franchise tag. Lefko doesn't bring that up in the My Northwest article
. the use of the franchise tag comes with a significant downside, and that is the amount of cap space it takes up. Specifically, the franchise tag predicted to be in the neighborhood of $31.5M for 2023 by OverTheCap.com, and that is cap space that is taken up as soon as the tag is applied
Believe you can manipulate the cap better with a contract rather than a tag. I don't see big issues with signing him to like a three year contract. I could see needing him for at least the first two, trade him in the third season. And that give you a lot more flexibility with your roster.

Isn't a franchise tag more about an inability to sign a guy to a contract, negotiations aren't getting anywhere so you franchise him, which could happen with Geno.

A second franchise tag would be like $38 mil

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Post by Donn Beach » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:09 am

PFF has them taking Anthony Richardson at 12
.General manager John Schneider hit a home run with last year’s draft class, and the Seahawks got a stud in Carter with the third pick of this mock. While Geno Smith isn’t currently under contract for 2023, he’s played well enough to earn a contract to return and start next season. The potential for Smith to return would allow the Seahawks to draft and develop Richardson without forcing him into action before he’s ready. While he’s only a one-year starter, he has a unique blend of dual-threat traits and immense upside

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by trharder » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:21 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:52 pm
I think it wiuld be a mistake to both sign Geno to a multi-year extension and to draft a QB with a high pick.
If Geno continues on his current course, he'll be lucky to find any team to pay him $15 million / year.
The Seahawks were smart not to sign Geno to a stupid contract back when he was hot. They will not sign Geno to a big
contract and spend their first draft pick on a QB. You don't have to worry about that.

This is turned more into a prediction thread. Or, wish thread.
I think the Seahawks will talk with Geno and his agent after the season and see what he thinks he should get. If it's high, they will
let him test the market. Possibly even let him walk. (they did Hasselbeck) There are a lot of 2nd level QBs out there. We could name
them if we want to. If we are stuck with a 2nd tier QB, I want one that runs the ball a lot. There is no better way to
prop up and maintain a running game than have a QB that is willing to run. This is why the early version of RW was so effective.
Yes, Marshawn was the horse, but RW would supplement and sometime even be the main run threat if a team keyed Marshawn.
If we draft a QB in any round. They better be able to and willing to run.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by trharder » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:31 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:09 am
PFF has them taking Anthony Richardson at 12
.General manager John Schneider hit a home run with last year’s draft class, and the Seahawks got a stud in Carter with the third pick of this mock. While Geno Smith isn’t currently under contract for 2023, he’s played well enough to earn a contract to return and start next season. The potential for Smith to return would allow the Seahawks to draft and develop Richardson without forcing him into action before he’s ready. While he’s only a one-year starter, he has a unique blend of dual-threat traits and immense upside
I'm in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWAY9VMOe0I

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:36 am

.From a player perspective, after all, the tag offers limited long-term security despite being a guaranteed contract. This leads to players not signing it and skipping parts of offseason workouts or training camp or even the regular season (see: ex-Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le’Veon Bell).

Meanwhile, teams shy away from using the tag because of the massive salary cap hits associated with it.
I'm guessing that's the reason JS has rarely used it. Doubt they use it on Geno, they aren't going to sacrifice all their cap space to guarantee one season of him

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Fri Dec 30, 2022 8:20 am

I think 1st 1 is a no brainer if it's not Anderson or Carter I'll be pissed, 2nd 1 could get interesting. The only other name that jumps out is Simpson from Clemson. I do like SI's current mock though. Taking Richardson at 12 would be very interesting. Too bad you can't redshirt QBs in the NFL like you can in college.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:47 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:51 am
You're figuring that's all you need him for? You're drafting a QB.

Guess there are cap issues with using a franchise tag. Lefko doesn't bring that up in the My Northwest article
. the use of the franchise tag comes with a significant downside, and that is the amount of cap space it takes up. Specifically, the franchise tag predicted to be in the neighborhood of $31.5M for 2023 by OverTheCap.com, and that is cap space that is taken up as soon as the tag is applied
Believe you can manipulate the cap better with a contract rather than a tag. I don't see big issues with signing him to like a three year contract. I could see needing him for at least the first two, trade him in the third season. And that give you a lot more flexibility with your roster.

Isn't a franchise tag more about an inability to sign a guy to a contract, negotiations aren't getting anywhere so you franchise him, which could happen with Geno.

A second franchise tag would be like $38 mil
Elite QBs start in year one. There are none available so you tag him. Don't draft a QB that is so lowly regarded you don't think he can start until 2025.
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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:49 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:36 am
.From a player perspective, after all, the tag offers limited long-term security despite being a guaranteed contract. This leads to players not signing it and skipping parts of offseason workouts or training camp or even the regular season (see: ex-Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le’Veon Bell).

Meanwhile, teams shy away from using the tag because of the massive salary cap hits associated with it.
I'm guessing that's the reason JS has rarely used it. Doubt they use it on Geno, they aren't going to sacrifice all their cap space to guarantee one season of him
Wait I thought there was no such thing as a bad one year deal. We will have a lot of 1st and 2nd year players starting next year and the never sign 1st wave FAs. The Cap shouldn't be a concern in the least.
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Post by Donn Beach » Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:56 pm

. Wait I thought there was no such thing as a bad one year deal.
That's baseball

Well the last thing I am is a contract cap expert, just go by what I read.

That's specifically the idea of franchising Geno
. The obvious solution proposed by many is that the team can simply apply the franchise tag, as it is unlikely that any other team would then sign him to a contract and send the Seahawks an additional two first-round selections. However, the use of the franchise tag comes with a significant downside, and that is the amount of cap space it takes up
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fieldg ... thers-bucs

You're saying actually there is no downside, good to know. However I'm guessing JS doesn't franchise him, we shall see

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:04 pm

I'm saying? No it is a fact we have the 5th most cap space, we never sign top FAs and we have 6 rookies playing this year and will likely have 4-5 more rookie starters next year saving more payroll. We can even cut Adams if need be. They can easily franchise him if they only want him for 1 year.

If they don't draft a QB they probably don't do it but won't be due to cap space considerations.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2023/
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