Official Draft pick position watch thread

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Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:25 pm

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Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Houston could easily beat the Jags at home and the Bears upset the Lions tomorrow will make for a fascinating final weekend. Zero chance the Broncos beat the Chiefs so no worries there.
Seahawks have never had the #1 overall pick. Yeah I can't see Denver winning another game this season. Justin Fields has been better this year, except that they aren't winning any games. I'd love to jump back up to #2.

There's an excellent article out by Rob Staton on the upcoming draft and taking a QB.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/

Bryce Young is naturally so gifted with skill, creativity and accuracy. He carried Alabama during the 2022 season and dragged them kicking and screaming into games against Tennessee where they had no right to be competitive. He can deliver the ball with timing and accuracy and his velocity on throws is clear to see. Young is also creative with brilliant mobility and improv skill. His size is a legitimate concern and teams will have to square that circle before drafting him. Nobody can deny, however, that he is a wonderful talent with exceptional character and production.

Will Levis has every physical trait you want in a modern day quarterback. He’s an outstanding athlete with a rocket arm and the ability to throw to all areas of the field. He can create with his legs and there’s a reason why people like Jim Nagy, and others, keep making comparisons to Allen and Herbert. He played behind a painfully bad O-line in Kentucky with hardly any supporting cast and had some rough moments — but any of the other top QB’s would’ve struggled in that situation. Levis also has firm experience in a pro-style offense.

Anthony Richardson is a rare physical specimen with the upside and potential to be special. There simply aren’t many people on the planet with his tools. He has the size to match the likes of Allen and the brilliance of a runner to warrant comparisons to Lamar Jackson. It’s very easy to imagine him becoming a superstar. He needs time and seasoning but many quarterbacks do. His timing is off and he has too many throws that are a little high or behind. Personally I think this will settle down with more playing time and experience, just as it did with Allen in Buffalo.

C.J. Stroud throws some of the prettiest passes you’ll ever see. His ball placement from the pocket or on the run is excellent and he can throw with such amazing touch to areas deep downfield. He has good size and plus mobility and no physical limitations with his arm. The issues come with intermediate accuracy and his inability, so far, to shine beyond the extreme hand-holding that comes with playing in the Ohio State offense. He also needs time and development but he has major upside.

I wouldn’t suggest anyone has to ‘love’ all of these players but I also don’t ‘get’ the lukewarm ‘meh’ responses that increasingly seem to be doing the rounds. Especially when we’re a year removed from people in the media trying to argue that Malik Willis should go in the top-10, or Desmond Ridder in round one. You can’t make those mock predictions at the start of 2022 and end the year shrugging your shoulders at this quartet.

Drafting a quarterback should be very much on the table for the Seahawks. They have so many picks in the 2023 draft, they’ll be able to address multiple areas. I’ll be happy with a QB or a D-liner. I’m not fussed. You can make a case for both based on positional value, team need and the players who are actually available.

Let’s try to remember that before we all go to war over our preferences.

One final point — it might be possible to address both positions in the top-10.

The Seahawks currently own the #3 and #12 picks. In 2021, the Eagles moved up from #12 to #10 to draft DeVonta Smith, giving up the #84 pick. Seattle’s third round pick is currently slated to be #81. If one of the top four quarterbacks last to #10, or one of the better defensive linemen is still available, it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to move up. After all, with two picks in round two, you’ll have ample opportunity to trade down and recoup lost stock.

Let’s take it a step further. I bet some teams will have Bijan Robinson and Will Anderson as the top two players on their board. It’s not unrealistic, if you pick at #3 and #12, to get both. In terms of talent acquisition, imagine getting the two best players in the draft with a further two second round picks still to come. That’d be really something.

It’s why I’m less interested in being the seventh seed in the playoffs, with little hope of achieving anything, and more interested in getting better.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:44 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:25 pm
D-train wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Houston could easily beat the Jags at home and the Bears upset the Lions tomorrow will make for a fascinating final weekend. Zero chance the Broncos beat the Chiefs so no worries there.
Seahawks have never had the #1 overall pick. Yeah I can't see Denver winning another game this season. Justin Fields has been better this year, except that they aren't winning any games. I'd love to jump back up to #2.

There's an excellent article out by Rob Staton on the upcoming draft and taking a QB.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/

Bryce Young is naturally so gifted with skill, creativity and accuracy. He carried Alabama during the 2022 season and dragged them kicking and screaming into games against Tennessee where they had no right to be competitive. He can deliver the ball with timing and accuracy and his velocity on throws is clear to see. Young is also creative with brilliant mobility and improv skill. His size is a legitimate concern and teams will have to square that circle before drafting him. Nobody can deny, however, that he is a wonderful talent with exceptional character and production.

Will Levis has every physical trait you want in a modern day quarterback. He’s an outstanding athlete with a rocket arm and the ability to throw to all areas of the field. He can create with his legs and there’s a reason why people like Jim Nagy, and others, keep making comparisons to Allen and Herbert. He played behind a painfully bad O-line in Kentucky with hardly any supporting cast and had some rough moments — but any of the other top QB’s would’ve struggled in that situation. Levis also has firm experience in a pro-style offense.

Anthony Richardson is a rare physical specimen with the upside and potential to be special. There simply aren’t many people on the planet with his tools. He has the size to match the likes of Allen and the brilliance of a runner to warrant comparisons to Lamar Jackson. It’s very easy to imagine him becoming a superstar. He needs time and seasoning but many quarterbacks do. His timing is off and he has too many throws that are a little high or behind. Personally I think this will settle down with more playing time and experience, just as it did with Allen in Buffalo.

C.J. Stroud throws some of the prettiest passes you’ll ever see. His ball placement from the pocket or on the run is excellent and he can throw with such amazing touch to areas deep downfield. He has good size and plus mobility and no physical limitations with his arm. The issues come with intermediate accuracy and his inability, so far, to shine beyond the extreme hand-holding that comes with playing in the Ohio State offense. He also needs time and development but he has major upside.

I wouldn’t suggest anyone has to ‘love’ all of these players but I also don’t ‘get’ the lukewarm ‘meh’ responses that increasingly seem to be doing the rounds. Especially when we’re a year removed from people in the media trying to argue that Malik Willis should go in the top-10, or Desmond Ridder in round one. You can’t make those mock predictions at the start of 2022 and end the year shrugging your shoulders at this quartet.

Drafting a quarterback should be very much on the table for the Seahawks. They have so many picks in the 2023 draft, they’ll be able to address multiple areas. I’ll be happy with a QB or a D-liner. I’m not fussed. You can make a case for both based on positional value, team need and the players who are actually available.

Let’s try to remember that before we all go to war over our preferences.

One final point — it might be possible to address both positions in the top-10.

The Seahawks currently own the #3 and #12 picks. In 2021, the Eagles moved up from #12 to #10 to draft DeVonta Smith, giving up the #84 pick. Seattle’s third round pick is currently slated to be #81. If one of the top four quarterbacks last to #10, or one of the better defensive linemen is still available, it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to move up. After all, with two picks in round two, you’ll have ample opportunity to trade down and recoup lost stock.

Let’s take it a step further. I bet some teams will have Bijan Robinson and Will Anderson as the top two players on their board. It’s not unrealistic, if you pick at #3 and #12, to get both. In terms of talent acquisition, imagine getting the two best players in the draft with a further two second round picks still to come. That’d be really something.

It’s why I’m less interested in being the seventh seed in the playoffs, with little hope of achieving anything, and more interested in getting better.
Ironically if the Bears didn't beat the 49ers in week one we would have zero chance at the #2. Thanks 49ers..
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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:47 pm

Man, Draft night is going to be insane!!!! Going from the usual of wondering if we are going to trade a our mid 20s pick out of the first round to having a top 3 AND a top 12. Damn.
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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by SeattleAddict » Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:32 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:47 pm
Man, Draft night is going to be insane!!!! Going from the usual of wondering if we are going to trade a our mid 20s pick out of the first round to having a top 3 AND a top 12. Damn.
yes.... but just want to remind everyone that other than last year, we have ALWAYS been severely disappointed and confused by Seahawks picks. I'm trying to temper my excitement with the reality that SOMEHOW this will probably go all Aaron Curry on us.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Sat Dec 31, 2022 6:16 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:44 pm
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 4:25 pm
D-train wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 3:35 pm
Houston could easily beat the Jags at home and the Bears upset the Lions tomorrow will make for a fascinating final weekend. Zero chance the Broncos beat the Chiefs so no worries there.
Seahawks have never had the #1 overall pick. Yeah I can't see Denver winning another game this season. Justin Fields has been better this year, except that they aren't winning any games. I'd love to jump back up to #2.

There's an excellent article out by Rob Staton on the upcoming draft and taking a QB.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/

Bryce Young is naturally so gifted with skill, creativity and accuracy. He carried Alabama during the 2022 season and dragged them kicking and screaming into games against Tennessee where they had no right to be competitive. He can deliver the ball with timing and accuracy and his velocity on throws is clear to see. Young is also creative with brilliant mobility and improv skill. His size is a legitimate concern and teams will have to square that circle before drafting him. Nobody can deny, however, that he is a wonderful talent with exceptional character and production.

Will Levis has every physical trait you want in a modern day quarterback. He’s an outstanding athlete with a rocket arm and the ability to throw to all areas of the field. He can create with his legs and there’s a reason why people like Jim Nagy, and others, keep making comparisons to Allen and Herbert. He played behind a painfully bad O-line in Kentucky with hardly any supporting cast and had some rough moments — but any of the other top QB’s would’ve struggled in that situation. Levis also has firm experience in a pro-style offense.

Anthony Richardson is a rare physical specimen with the upside and potential to be special. There simply aren’t many people on the planet with his tools. He has the size to match the likes of Allen and the brilliance of a runner to warrant comparisons to Lamar Jackson. It’s very easy to imagine him becoming a superstar. He needs time and seasoning but many quarterbacks do. His timing is off and he has too many throws that are a little high or behind. Personally I think this will settle down with more playing time and experience, just as it did with Allen in Buffalo.

C.J. Stroud throws some of the prettiest passes you’ll ever see. His ball placement from the pocket or on the run is excellent and he can throw with such amazing touch to areas deep downfield. He has good size and plus mobility and no physical limitations with his arm. The issues come with intermediate accuracy and his inability, so far, to shine beyond the extreme hand-holding that comes with playing in the Ohio State offense. He also needs time and development but he has major upside.

I wouldn’t suggest anyone has to ‘love’ all of these players but I also don’t ‘get’ the lukewarm ‘meh’ responses that increasingly seem to be doing the rounds. Especially when we’re a year removed from people in the media trying to argue that Malik Willis should go in the top-10, or Desmond Ridder in round one. You can’t make those mock predictions at the start of 2022 and end the year shrugging your shoulders at this quartet.

Drafting a quarterback should be very much on the table for the Seahawks. They have so many picks in the 2023 draft, they’ll be able to address multiple areas. I’ll be happy with a QB or a D-liner. I’m not fussed. You can make a case for both based on positional value, team need and the players who are actually available.

Let’s try to remember that before we all go to war over our preferences.

One final point — it might be possible to address both positions in the top-10.

The Seahawks currently own the #3 and #12 picks. In 2021, the Eagles moved up from #12 to #10 to draft DeVonta Smith, giving up the #84 pick. Seattle’s third round pick is currently slated to be #81. If one of the top four quarterbacks last to #10, or one of the better defensive linemen is still available, it wouldn’t be a terrible idea to move up. After all, with two picks in round two, you’ll have ample opportunity to trade down and recoup lost stock.

Let’s take it a step further. I bet some teams will have Bijan Robinson and Will Anderson as the top two players on their board. It’s not unrealistic, if you pick at #3 and #12, to get both. In terms of talent acquisition, imagine getting the two best players in the draft with a further two second round picks still to come. That’d be really something.

It’s why I’m less interested in being the seventh seed in the playoffs, with little hope of achieving anything, and more interested in getting better.
Ironically if the Bears didn't beat the 49ers in week one we would have zero chance at the #2. Thanks 49ers..
The only pick I've ever gotten right for Seattle was the Frank Clark pick. And I was freaking out the whole time. I'm wondering if Seattle flops the rest of the season and we wind up with two top 10 picks.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by D-train » Sat Dec 31, 2022 6:43 pm

Well it has been predicted here we lose the last two. We shall see.
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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by 57reasons » Sat Dec 31, 2022 7:06 pm

interesting article from Staton and a really good point he makes about the inconsistency of the the lack of enthusiasm for this QB class after all the reaches (or consideration of such) last year. Because there isn't clear and obvious separation between Young, Stroud, Levis, and to a lesser degree Richardson, that makes it harder to get excited about any one of them. But take away two or three of those and we would likely be all hyped about the one or two left.

Also easy to be a bit blase as long as Geno's still here on a reasonable deal, which may or may not be true come draft day. But QB needy teams may not be, so the pick may be worth more in trade return value from one of those teams than it would be to "just" take the obvious talent and need in Anderson. Either way I'm psyched! last time we had this much draft capital we came away with Shawn Springs and Walter Jones! or more recently - Okung and Earl.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by auroraave » Sat Dec 31, 2022 7:53 pm

I honestly would not want the top pick except for the flexibility it gives you. I would absolutely trade down and get more capitol and avoid the possibility of drafting a bust at the top. The QB world is changing as the college game changes - no longer are we looking to develop QB's for a collegiate run - 'senior class' laden teams are disappearing as all talent bails for the draft asap. The result is any QB that can get the most highlights in the short term - while losing the long term development needed for success at the next level - are rising to the top - and that's why more and more 'duel threat" qb's are playing in the NFL - there are very few Trevor Lawrence's anymore. The problem is the risk factor for these under developed QB's who can flame out or pull a hammy and the escapability is gone. What's the back up plan? Play in the pocket? Please. Very few college QB's are ready for that. It's all a short term game anymore. I would 100% draft for defense early on and build up both lines and go after a more prototypical athlete QB later on. You are only going to be as good as your surrounding cast - look at geno - so spending a top pick on a QB is just becoming too risky anymore. Lawrence was really the last sure thing and would've had an even better career start had he not been cursed with the dumpsterfire Urban Meyer. I was a big Allan fan - but would never have taken him up top - he was still a rough talent needing development and that's risky.

Seattle has a lot of draft capital to use this year - fill the gaps and look for a QB project after the first round - anywere - doesn't need to be anyone flashy - just avoid those WB's who's entire collegiate career is highlights running for 200 yards against Indiana and Syracuse - they NEVER translate to the NFL. I swear that is every single Ohio State QB in the last 25 years. I think ONE has had an impact at the next level.

Best bet is to build the trenches first - and they have the ability to do just that - and stop overvalueing these highlight reels - look for development, smarts and athleticism. Russell Wilson in Denver is the epitome of people who only watch highlight reels and don't bother getting any context - and look how that's turned out. The entire position is changing - and the risk of botching that position is going to make GM's rethink the position entirely - and partly because Pete has shown what is possible - first with Wilson, then with Geno.

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by Michael K. » Sat Dec 31, 2022 8:46 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Sat Dec 31, 2022 5:32 pm
I'm trying to temper my excitement with the reality that SOMEHOW this will probably go all Aaron Curry on us.
Ouch, thanks for ruining my new year! LOL

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Re: Official Draft pick position watch thread

Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:04 pm

In this draft with a top 5 pick I would avoid drafting either top two Alabama prospects Bryce Young and Will Anderson Jr.

Besides Bryce Young being undersized and no having plus arm-strength, he also doesn't have a good throwing base and tends to bob up and down in his skip drop step. You don't any successful QBs in the NFL will this drawbacks, let alone having all of these drawbacks. If a QB doesn't have a good base then they are not going to be ready to through. My analogy would be like a soldier in combat not having his gun ready in his workspace to hit his targets.

My biggest problems with Will Anderson Jr (I believe he's going to drop at least out of the top three in the draft) is that he is undersized and has trouble when lined up on the line. And he isn't a good coverage player when placed in the OLB position. His speed helps him in stunt schemes, and he has cashed in on several sacks due to being left unaccounted for by the opposing team which is mind-boggling to me. I see this happen with opposing teams get lost in their play calling and pulling the tackle around to the other side and not have anyone assigned to picking up Anderson and his speed.

There are a few guys I would consider with a top 5 Seahawk pick, otherwise I would look to trade out of this pick.

1. DT Jalen Carter- He's a big body run stopper that can promote double teams and plug the middle of the line. This would help the Hawks LBs out tremendously. He's had a foot injury since the Oregon game, but if you look at his 2nd half of the season you will see what he's capable of.
2. Edge Myles Murphy- He is a massive man at 6-5 and 275. He his is very, very fast and powerful on the edge with a great bend. If you haven't seen his highlight reel I recommend giving it a watch and you'll see a next-level player with a very high floor and high ceiling. I wouldn't be mad at all if the Hawks picked Murphy before Jalen Carter.
3. CJ Stroud- I'm on the fence spending a draft pick on Stroud because I think next year's draft is loaded with NFL capable QBs. But Stroud has a great throwing base, strong arm, is smart, accurate, and mobile. It's hard to find more than two of these tools in this year's QB draft class outside of Stroud.

Next year's QB draft class is going to be loaded with Caleb Williams and Grayson McCall leading the way. I wouldn't reach for Anthony Richardson or Will Levis with the hope they are the future under center. I'd take my chances with next year's class if the Hawks don't draft CJ Stroud this coming draft.

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