Official Draft pick position watch thread

[SeattleAddict]

interesting article from Staton and a really good point he makes about the inconsistency of the the lack of enthusiasm for this QB class after all the reaches (or consideration of such) last year. Because there isn't clear and obvious separation between Young, Stroud, Levis, and to a lesser degree Richardson, that makes it harder to get excited about any one of them. But take away two or three of those and we would likely be all hyped about the one or two left.

Young and Stroud are the only NFL ready QBs. Everybody else is basically last year's crop. The difference is Levis and Richardson aren't actually good QBs, but damn they are impressive physical specimens. Levis is 24 years old (or will be at draft time I can't remember) that is built like a MLB with bad footwork and poor decision making. Richardson has almost no experience, runs like a gazelle but can't hit the broad side of a barn with his throws, can't read coverage, and is easily fooled by any non-vanilla defense. He is young, though, so there's hope he could be fixed. I don't see it. I watched 3 of his games now and he has looked absolutely terrible in all of them. The physical tools are evident, but the flaws are oh-so-glaring.

SOMEBODY will reach for both of them, and Young/Stroud will go in top 4, so you could easily see 4 QBs in the top 10, and a couple more like McKee later in the round. There are actually several guys further down the list that could be good. I like Hooker for a value pick (he would've been in the top list if he hadn't gotten hurt), but there are probably 10 guys that could well be NFL QBs that will be available after the 2nd round.

[SeattleAddict]

My biggest problems with Will Anderson Jr (I believe he's going to drop at least out of the top three in the draft) is that he is undersized and has trouble when lined up on the line. And he isn't a good coverage player when placed in the OLB position. His speed helps him in stunt schemes, and he has cashed in on several sacks due to being left unaccounted for by the opposing team which is mind-boggling to me. I see this happen with opposing teams get lost in their play calling and pulling the tackle around to the other side and not have anyone assigned to picking up Anderson and his speed.

I keep hearing this "He's too small" argument and it's ridiculous. He's 250 lbs, within like 5 lbs of every top pass rusher in the NFL when they came out of college. Coverage skills don't apply to edge rushers. Technically he might be an OLB, but that is not his job. The one thing with him is he benefitted from having an excellent pass rusher on the opposite side, but he had something like 38 sacks in a 3 year college career, and that doesn't happen by accident. He is a difference maker.

2. Edge Myles Murphy- He is a massive man at 6-5 and 275. He his is very, very fast and powerful on the edge with a great bend. If you haven't seen his highlight reel I recommend giving it a watch and you'll see a next-level player with a very high floor and high ceiling. I wouldn't be mad at all if the Hawks picked Murphy before Jalen Carter.

Murphy is a 4-3 DE. Unless the Seahawks change their scheme, he is not a fit for this defense. We already have Daryl Taylor playing out of position in this position. This is another reason Anderson is a better pick - he is the prototypical 3-4 edge rusher.

[D-train]

interesting article from Staton and a really good point he makes about the inconsistency of the the lack of enthusiasm for this QB class after all the reaches (or consideration of such) last year. Because there isn't clear and obvious separation between Young, Stroud, Levis, and to a lesser degree Richardson, that makes it harder to get excited about any one of them. But take away two or three of those and we would likely be all hyped about the one or two left.

Young and Stroud are the only NFL ready QBs. Everybody else is basically last year's crop. The difference is Levis and Richardson aren't actually good QBs, but damn they are impressive physical specimens. Levis is 24 years old (or will be at draft time I can't remember) that is built like a MLB with bad footwork and poor decision making. Richardson has almost no experience, runs like a gazelle but can't hit the broad side of a barn with his throws, can't read coverage, and is easily fooled by any non-vanilla defense. He is young, though, so there's hope he could be fixed. I don't see it. I watched 3 of his games now and he has looked absolutely terrible in all of them. The physical tools are evident, but the flaws are oh-so-glaring.

SOMEBODY will reach for both of them, and Young/Stroud will go in top 4, so you could easily see 4 QBs in the top 10, and a couple more like McKee later in the round. There are actually several guys further down the list that could be good. I like Hooker for a value pick (he would've been in the top list if he hadn't gotten hurt), but there are probably 10 guys that could well be NFL QBs that will be available after the 2nd round.

[SeattleAddict]

Pretty close to agree with Brock.

Bryce Young is a helluva player. Concerns about his size I suppose, but he's proven he can play the position.

I think Stroud is just as good, though. He does all the quarterback-y stuff well. His passes are accurate, on time, and to the correct guy. IMO, he's the safest bet.

Everybody else has something that makes them a reach at anything above the 2nd round. Doesn't mean they can't become superstars, but they aren't there yet. People on this forum want the huge guy with speed, and I'd like that, too, but I prefer a guy that can actually read the defense and deliver the ball. Those are the guys that last in the NFL.

[Cascade Kid]

My biggest problems with Will Anderson Jr (I believe he's going to drop at least out of the top three in the draft) is that he is undersized and has trouble when lined up on the line. And he isn't a good coverage player when placed in the OLB position. His speed helps him in stunt schemes, and he has cashed in on several sacks due to being left unaccounted for by the opposing team which is mind-boggling to me. I see this happen with opposing teams get lost in their play calling and pulling the tackle around to the other side and not have anyone assigned to picking up Anderson and his speed.

I keep hearing this "He's too small" argument and it's ridiculous. He's 250 lbs, within like 5 lbs of every top pass rusher in the NFL when they came out of college. Coverage skills don't apply to edge rushers. Technically he might be an OLB, but that is not his job. The one thing with him is he benefitted from having an excellent pass rusher on the opposite side, but he had something like 38 sacks in a 3 year college career, and that doesn't happen by accident. He is a difference maker.

2. Edge Myles Murphy- He is a massive man at 6-5 and 275. He his is very, very fast and powerful on the edge with a great bend. If you haven't seen his highlight reel I recommend giving it a watch and you'll see a next-level player with a very high floor and high ceiling. I wouldn't be mad at all if the Hawks picked Murphy before Jalen Carter.

Murphy is a 4-3 DE. Unless the Seahawks change their scheme, he is not a fit for this defense. We already have Daryl Taylor playing out of position in this position. This is another reason Anderson is a better pick - he is the prototypical 3-4 edge rusher.

The number of sacks collected in a college season or career more times than not does not translate to the NFL. Take a look at the all time college sack leaders and then search their NFL careers. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/le ... areer.html

Anderson, if engaged at the line, is often zero factor in that play. Now consider this on the NFL level. And Will anderson is listed at 243lbs which if you take his 6-4 frame into consideration he's fairly slight for line play. Plus, he doesn't really have a good shoulder dip move, swim move or any other move when engaged at the line. He just does seem to be able to overtake leverage against him when engaged.

As for Murphy, if he's best available and can fill a need in the Hawk's 3-4 scheme than absolutely draft him. Darrell Taylor is fine and all, but he's not blowing anyone's socks off. I think Murphy will have a much better career than Taylor, thus taking Murphy into consideration. Go watch the man's body of work and you'll see what I mean.

[D-train]

Pretty close to agree with Brock.

Bryce Young is a helluva player. Concerns about his size I suppose, but he's proven he can play the position.

I think Stroud is just as good, though. He does all the quarterback-y stuff well. His passes are accurate, on time, and to the correct guy. IMO, he's the safest bet.

Everybody else has something that makes them a reach at anything above the 2nd round. Doesn't mean they can't become superstars, but they aren't there yet. People on this forum want the huge guy with speed, and I'd like that, too, but I prefer a guy that can actually read the defense and deliver the ball. Those are the guys that last in the NFL.

Your post was before Brock's tweet so guessing he plagiarized you!

[SeattleAddict]

The number of sacks collected in a college season or career more times than not does not translate to the NFL. Take a look at the all time college sack leaders and then search their NFL careers. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/le ... areer.html

Of course. Most guys on that list played for small schools against crap competition for 4 years. The best guys in the NFL play for 1-3 years against top competition and come out. TJ Watt, for instance, had 11.5 sacks his one season of actually playing. JJ Watt 11.5 over two years. Miles Garrett 31 over 3 years. You can't use one stat to determine success, but it is an indication that he's getting the job done, and he's doing it against SEC competition.

Anderson, if engaged at the line, is often zero factor in that play. Now consider this on the NFL level. And Will anderson is listed at 243lbs which if you take his 6-4 frame into consideration he's fairly slight for line play. Plus, he doesn't really have a good shoulder dip move, swim move or any other move when engaged at the line. He just does seem to be able to overtake leverage against him when engaged.

All I can say about this is it sounds like you read a Mel KIper scouting report somewhere but have never actually watched him play. I am all-in on Jalen Carter, but Anderson is clearly the best backup plan.

As for Murphy, if he's best available and can fill a need in the Hawk's 3-4 scheme than absolutely draft him. Darrell Taylor is fine and all, but he's not blowing anyone's socks off. I think Murphy will have a much better career than Taylor, thus taking Murphy into consideration. Go watch the man's body of work and you'll see what I mean.

Murphy is an excellent player. I'm not saying he's not - I'm saying he is not a FIT for the Seahawks' current defensive scheme. You don't switch to a 3-4 defense and use a top 5 pick on a 4-3 guy. He probably will have a better career than Taylor, just not for the Seahawks.

[D-train]

Pretty close to agree with Brock.

Bryce Young is a helluva player. Concerns about his size I suppose, but he's proven he can play the position.

I think Stroud is just as good, though. He does all the quarterback-y stuff well. His passes are accurate, on time, and to the correct guy. IMO, he's the safest bet.

Everybody else has something that makes them a reach at anything above the 2nd round. Doesn't mean they can't become superstars, but they aren't there yet. People on this forum want the huge guy with speed, and I'd like that, too, but I prefer a guy that can actually read the defense and deliver the ball. Those are the guys that last in the NFL.

Why would Brock have a huge gap between Young and Stroud given the size is in Stroud's favor? Thanks.

[Cascade Kid]

The number of sacks collected in a college season or career more times than not does not translate to the NFL. Take a look at the all time college sack leaders and then search their NFL careers. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/le ... areer.html

Of course. Most guys on that list played for small schools against crap competition for 4 years. The best guys in the NFL play for 1-3 years against top competition and come out. TJ Watt, for instance, had 11.5 sacks his one season of actually playing. JJ Watt 11.5 over two years. Miles Garrett 31 over 3 years. You can't use one stat to determine success, but it is an indication that he's getting the job done, and he's doing it against SEC competition.

Anderson, if engaged at the line, is often zero factor in that play. Now consider this on the NFL level. And Will anderson is listed at 243lbs which if you take his 6-4 frame into consideration he's fairly slight for line play. Plus, he doesn't really have a good shoulder dip move, swim move or any other move when engaged at the line. He just does seem to be able to overtake leverage against him when engaged.

All I can say about this is it sounds like you read a Mel KIper scouting report somewhere but have never actually watched him play. I am all-in on Jalen Carter, but Anderson is clearly the best backup plan.

As for Murphy, if he's best available and can fill a need in the Hawk's 3-4 scheme than absolutely draft him. Darrell Taylor is fine and all, but he's not blowing anyone's socks off. I think Murphy will have a much better career than Taylor, thus taking Murphy into consideration. Go watch the man's body of work and you'll see what I mean.

Murphy is an excellent player. I'm not saying he's not - I'm saying he is not a FIT for the Seahawks' current defensive scheme. You don't switch to a 3-4 defense and use a top 5 pick on a 4-3 guy. He probably will have a better career than Taylor, just not for the Seahawks.

Never read Mel Kiper's report. I do my own assessments because if you consider every experts report in hidnsight they can be just as wrong as you and me. I watched Will Anderson play all day today when he was finally was sent in after the first couple series, and he was nowhere to be found in the box score at the end of the game. He was a none factor. Everytime he tried to stunt he couldn't penetrate the gap.

[Sexymarinersfan]

Pretty close to agree with Brock.

Bryce Young is a helluva player. Concerns about his size I suppose, but he's proven he can play the position.

I think Stroud is just as good, though. He does all the quarterback-y stuff well. His passes are accurate, on time, and to the correct guy. IMO, he's the safest bet.

Everybody else has something that makes them a reach at anything above the 2nd round. Doesn't mean they can't become superstars, but they aren't there yet. People on this forum want the huge guy with speed, and I'd like that, too, but I prefer a guy that can actually read the defense and deliver the ball. Those are the guys that last in the NFL.

Why would Brock have a huge gap between Young and Stroud given the size is in Stroud's favor? Thanks.

I do think the prospect of picking Anthony Richardson and Bijan Robinson is a very enticing prospect, even if we clearly have bigger needs than RB. Think of the rushing potential of a Richardson, Walker, Robinson 2 back set up, any creative coordinator would be able to work wonders with that.

I think it also has the maximum potential for Seahawks twitter meltdown.

It’s very tempting but we can’t forget that our DL is not good and the DL depth even worse. We have the rest of the season, the senior bowl, the combine, and free agency to go before the draft. Maybe our draft needs will clarify more by then.