Who's Your Pick At #5

[Sexymarinersfan]

Anthony Richardson is my number 1 choice. But I'd be happy with ANY of the four in this order:

Richardson
Stroud
Levis
Young

If none are on the board then go Anderson. You're a dumbass if you're taking Carter. If you haven't learned from Malik McDowell then shame on you! Do u know what the definition of "Insanity" is? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get the same results. Will Anderson is by far the superior option over Jalen "winded hands on hips, knucklehead" Carter! He did all that stupid shit during his draft year?!!! You've got to be kidding me! Look, I want a game wrecking DT as much as the next guy on this forum, but this is NOT a Seahawks type of player.

For every Malik McDowell I have a Dan McGwire for ya, though. Just because somebody impresses you with their physical skills, they need to be a good player, too. I don't understand the priority of drafting a QB at 5 at all, much less Richardson, who at best will take 3 years to figure out the game. By the time he got good, you'd have missed out on all the rookie-contract-QB benefits.

Drafting a QB at 5 you want him to start. Otherwise, you get a situation like SF or GB where every year you have drama with the veteran.

I am in the 'trade down' camp and load up on 2nd and 3rd rounders... one of which can be your QB of the future.

At least I like that option better than selecting Carter. We can both agree on that. The Seahawks have placed too much emphasis on character and how it was critical to the success of their 2022 class to think Carter will be a consideration in round one. And I have faith in Schneider not to get the next McGwire. He was right about Allen AND Mahomes. If his guy isn't there, then yes, absolutely trade down is a MUST!

Many mock drafts have simply resorted to placing Tyree Wilson at #5. Has anyone actually considered his fit? Yes, he has amazing size and length. These are traits Seattle covets. Yet at 6-5 and 271lbs, that isn’t the frame for a 3-4 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker. He is very much a traditional DE for a 4-3 scheme.

Anderson is an outside linebacker in the 3-4 while Carter equally fits the defensive front. Where do you place Wilson or for that matter, Myles Murphy?

Unfortunately I think the option of adding a ‘defensive stud’ in the top-five has all but evaporated. Irrespective of anything to do with the quarterbacks — I suspect Anderson is still the top player in Seattle’s eyes. I just can’t imagine a scenario where he lasts to #5. Someone in the top-three will take him. He was simply too impactful at Alabama and with an A+ character he’ll be seen as a culture-setter.

I'm almost beginning to lean hard into the trading down camp myself.

[SeattleAddict]

At least I like that option better than selecting Carter. We can both agree on that. The Seahawks have placed too much emphasis on character and how it was critical to the success of their 2022 class to think Carter will be a consideration in round one. And I have faith in Schneider not to get the next McGwire. He was right about Allen AND Mahomes. If his guy isn't there, then yes, absolutely trade down is a MUST!

Many mock drafts have simply resorted to placing Tyree Wilson at #5. Has anyone actually considered his fit? Yes, he has amazing size and length. These are traits Seattle covets. Yet at 6-5 and 271lbs, that isn’t the frame for a 3-4 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker. He is very much a traditional DE for a 4-3 scheme.

Anderson is an outside linebacker in the 3-4 while Carter equally fits the defensive front. Where do you place Wilson or for that matter, Myles Murphy?

Unfortunately I think the option of adding a ‘defensive stud’ in the top-five has all but evaporated. Irrespective of anything to do with the quarterbacks — I suspect Anderson is still the top player in Seattle’s eyes. I just can’t imagine a scenario where he lasts to #5. Someone in the top-three will take him. He was simply too impactful at Alabama and with an A+ character he’ll be seen as a culture-setter.

I'm almost beginning to lean hard into the trading down camp myself.

I agree with almost all of that - especially everybody projecting an Edge at #5. Anderson is the ONLY guy worth picking there, because he can replace and upgrade Taylor. Wilson or Murphy don't fit UNLESS Pete thinks they can play the Shelby Harris end spot. Not their natural position, but they have the size and apparent talent.

The part I disagree with is I think Carter is salvageable... or at least COULD be. I'm not privvy to the interviews and other key information so maybe he actually isn't.

In all of these things, I trust PC/JS know what they're doing. They've made mistakes, but if they think a guy is worth taking there, regardless of position, I trust they have a plan. I'm just saying what *I* would do, and that is shore up the middle on both sides of the ball.

[Sexymarinersfan]

At least I like that option better than selecting Carter. We can both agree on that. The Seahawks have placed too much emphasis on character and how it was critical to the success of their 2022 class to think Carter will be a consideration in round one. And I have faith in Schneider not to get the next McGwire. He was right about Allen AND Mahomes. If his guy isn't there, then yes, absolutely trade down is a MUST!

Many mock drafts have simply resorted to placing Tyree Wilson at #5. Has anyone actually considered his fit? Yes, he has amazing size and length. These are traits Seattle covets. Yet at 6-5 and 271lbs, that isn’t the frame for a 3-4 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker. He is very much a traditional DE for a 4-3 scheme.

Anderson is an outside linebacker in the 3-4 while Carter equally fits the defensive front. Where do you place Wilson or for that matter, Myles Murphy?

Unfortunately I think the option of adding a ‘defensive stud’ in the top-five has all but evaporated. Irrespective of anything to do with the quarterbacks — I suspect Anderson is still the top player in Seattle’s eyes. I just can’t imagine a scenario where he lasts to #5. Someone in the top-three will take him. He was simply too impactful at Alabama and with an A+ character he’ll be seen as a culture-setter.

I'm almost beginning to lean hard into the trading down camp myself.

I agree with almost all of that - especially everybody projecting an Edge at #5. Anderson is the ONLY guy worth picking there, because he can replace and upgrade Taylor. Wilson or Murphy don't fit UNLESS Pete thinks they can play the Shelby Harris end spot. Not their natural position, but they have the size and apparent talent.

The part I disagree with is I think Carter is salvageable... or at least COULD be. I'm not privvy to the interviews and other key information so maybe he actually isn't.

In all of these things, I trust PC/JS know what they're doing. They've made mistakes, but if they think a guy is worth taking there, regardless of position, I trust they have a plan. I'm just saying what *I* would do, and that is shore up the middle on both sides of the ball.

I listened to what Schneider and Carroll had to say about the importance of character in the 2022 class — and how they took a zero-tolerance policy on it. High character without compromise is how it was described. They weren’t even going to take Thibodeaux last year. So that's why I have my doubts on them selecting Carter.

Completely dismissing his character concerns and potentially serious legal situation is even sillier. A player’s athleticism is not the only thing that determines his potential. For an elite athlete, his production was utter crap, he somehow couldn’t force his way onto the field for more than 40% of snaps, and he quite frankly embarrassed himself in the Ohio State game. These factors do not scream #5 pick, $40M contract, face-of-the-franchise type player. Just my two cents. And I am trying to be as open minded about Carter as I possibly can. That's why I'm leaning harder towards a trade down scenario.

[SeattleAddict]

Completely dismissing his character concerns and potentially serious legal situation is even sillier.

the legal situation doesn't seem serious - at least as it stands right now, who knows if there is more to it - he was charged with 2 misdemeanors, neither of which would result in much more than a fine and community service. I've said elsewhere, he seems to be a dumbass that makes poor decisions, and if you don't draft him because of that, fine, but the legal issues shouldn't make a difference.

A player’s athleticism is not the only thing that determines his potential. For an elite athlete, his production was utter crap.

yet, Anthony Richardson is your #1 guy?? ALL Richardson has is athleticism. Granted, it's off the charts, but his film is shit, and his production is even shittier.

he somehow couldn’t force his way onto the field for more than 40% of snaps, and he quite frankly embarrassed himself in the Ohio State game.

Carter had an ankle injury for half the year and barely played. His production after the injury was back to where it should be. Gassing against OSU is something to look at, I suppose.

All of this is just based on what I have seen - I know the coaches know a hell of a lot more than me, and maybe you do, too. I say this from the perspective that IF he's drafted by the Seahawks, I am confident they did their due diligence about those issues. If they pass on him, same thing. I see the red flags, but I don't see anything that would preclude them taking possibly the best player in the draft at a position of dire need.

[Michael K.]

At least I like that option better than selecting Carter. We can both agree on that. The Seahawks have placed too much emphasis on character and how it was critical to the success of their 2022 class to think Carter will be a consideration in round one. And I have faith in Schneider not to get the next McGwire. He was right about Allen AND Mahomes. If his guy isn't there, then yes, absolutely trade down is a MUST!

Great point. He also drafted the guy that took us to two Super Bowls and won a ring. I was thinking that the other day, if Pete and John find a QB they love and take him, I might be apt to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Donn Beach]

Thought that was kinda funny, Wyman "discovering" O'Cyres Torrence while scouting Richardson. He probably is there at 20, has issues with pass protection

Wyman first noticed Torrence when watching film on Richardson. As he watched the Florida QB play, his attention soon shifted to the Gators’ right guard.

“All of a sudden I’m looking at this guy and going holy moly … he’s doing everything like textbook,” Wyman said. “And I looked at him, he’s like 340 pounds. He’s 6-5, 340

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1745622/ ... ymans-eye/

[Donn Beach]

Raiders trade
https://justblogbaby.com/2023/03/07/rai ... nfl-draft/

[Cascade Kid]

Thought that was kinda funny, Wyman "discovering" O'Cyres Torrence while scouting Richardson. He probably is there at 20, has issues with pass protection

Wyman first noticed Torrence when watching film on Richardson. As he watched the Florida QB play, his attention soon shifted to the Gators’ right guard.

“All of a sudden I’m looking at this guy and going holy moly … he’s doing everything like textbook,” Wyman said. “And I looked at him, he’s like 340 pounds. He’s 6-5, 340

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1745622/ ... ymans-eye/

There's a video out there with Torrence getting completely owned by Jalen Carter. Torrence's feet where hopping back like a car with its brakes locked up being shoved by a semi.

[Donn Beach]

Bears trade their draft pick

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/10/bears ... er-reports

[maoling]

I can't escape the feeling that unless their truly must-have player is there at #5, or #20 and beyond, the Hawks are horse-trading in this draft up and down the board.