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[Michael K.]

They drafted Penny because they wanted depth at running back, it was never a given he would start immediately, they wanted competition at the position and got it. Could they have waited and drafted another RB, sure. They said they wanted Penny for his versatility, he was who they wanted.

Then they are stupid. Versatility? You mean the fact that Mike Davis was the third down back and Penny can't win the punt or kick return job? More outstanding observations. He is Carson, only not as good...a little faster but not near as good between the tackles. Versatile? WTF?

[Donn Beach]

that is what was said...

"Three-down back for us who can do everything," Seattle coach Pete Carroll said, describing a pick about whom Carroll was glowing with excitement. "He needs to work on his pass protection, but the ability to play him on all downs, that versatility is really big."

[ThePro]

They drafted Penny because they wanted depth at running back, it was never a given he would start immediately, they wanted competition at the position and got it. Could they have waited and drafted another RB, sure. They said they wanted Penny for his versatility, he was who they wanted.

Then they are stupid. Versatility? You mean the fact that Mike Davis was the third down back and Penny can't win the punt or kick return job? More outstanding observations. He is Carson, only not as good...a little faster but not near as good between the tackles. Versatile? WTF?

Mike Davis isn't on the team anymore. And how do you know he was given the opportunity to win the punt or kick return job? Lockett is a Pro Bowl returner.

[Michael K.]

They drafted Penny because they wanted depth at running back, it was never a given he would start immediately, they wanted competition at the position and got it. Could they have waited and drafted another RB, sure. They said they wanted Penny for his versatility, he was who they wanted.

Then they are stupid. Versatility? You mean the fact that Mike Davis was the third down back and Penny can't win the punt or kick return job? More outstanding observations. He is Carson, only not as good...a little faster but not near as good between the tackles. Versatile? WTF?

Mike Davis isn't on the team anymore. And how do you know he was given the opportunity to win the punt or kick return job? Lockett is a Pro Bowl returner.

Lockett WAS a pro bowl return man. And, Davis was the third down back last year, Fragile Prosise is this year. Still not seeing all of this versatility.

Leon Washington was a Pro Bowl return man once also, should we bring him back? Lockette is going to be a Pro Bowl WR...pretty sure if the coaches thought they could get something out of Penny they might still have him back there so not to risk Lockett. I mean, he did it for a while. He wasn't taken out of that role because he was amazing at it.

How do I know he was given the opportunity? Maybe because for a few games he was running back kicks, then he wasn't. Jesus man, come on. Once again, you believe that he would be an impact maker in the return game but those damn coaches are just getting in his way again? I guess it is a good thing we keep him, because if the Rams get him he will be Todd Gurley 2.0!

[Michael K.]

Think back to when we drafted Penny. We had just missed the playoffs for the first time in like 8 years and started to part ways with a lot of the defense that took us to back to back Super Bowls. Does anyone think that is when the FO decided to not only draft for the future, but a freaking running back for the future?

Sorry, they were both bad picks. It happens, not the end of the world, but to blindly defend it is silly and to actually believe they intended for two first round picks in a row to NOT play is foolish. They make mistakes, admitting it doesn't make you less of a fan.

I love this offense...I wish they would have added to the defense with impact players in the last two drafts, not two guys that spend more time next to Pete than on the field.

[ThePro]

Think back to when we drafted Penny. We had just missed the playoffs for the first time in like 8 years and started to part ways with a lot of the defense that took us to back to back Super Bowls. Does anyone think that is when the FO decided to not only draft for the future, but a freaking running back for the future?

Sorry, they were both bad picks. It happens, not the end of the world, but to blindly defend it is silly and to actually believe they intended for two first round picks in a row to NOT play is foolish. They make mistakes, admitting it doesn't make you less of a fan.

I love this offense...I wish they would have added to the defense with impact players in the last two drafts, not two guys that spend more time next to Pete than on the field.

Can you make a point just once without making a strawman? Just one time? When the Hawks made the pick for Penny the weren't drafting for the future. No one expected Carson to cone back like he did. Hawks were just burned by the Thomas Rawls fiasco . Everyone underestimated Carson's resolve. Now with the miracle of hindsight 20/20 vision it is a bad pick.

Somewhere on a Colts forum site your twin is saying " Andrew Luck was a bad pick we should have drafted Russell Wilson "

[Michael K.]

So, you compare Penny to Rodgers why? If your claim is that, like Rodgers, he was drafted for the future, I was showing you why I don't believe that. If your point was that he is nothing like Rodgers, then I have no idea why you mentioned Rodgers.

Andrew Luck played as many games as Penny? And I use a strawman? Neither Rodgers or Luck are anything close to Penny. Seriously dude?

You are right, a team that hasn't won a playoff game in over two years should most certainly consider it a success that they used back to back 1st round picks on players that don't play. Good Lord. Congrats, your incoherence on this has finally beaten me down. I'm done.

[ThePro]

So, you compare Penny to Rodgers why? If your claim is that, like Rodgers, he was drafted for the future, I was showing you why I don't believe that. If your point was that he is nothing like Rodgers, then I have no idea why you mentioned Rodgers.

Andrew Luck played as many games as Penny? And I use a strawman? Neither Rodgers or Luck are anything close to Penny. Seriously dude?

You are right, a team that hasn't won a playoff game in over two years should most certainly consider it a success that they used back to back 1st round picks on players that don't play. Good Lord. Congrats, your incoherence on this has finally beaten me down. I'm done.

You should be done. Waaaay to early to declare either player a bust.

[Michael K.]

So, you compare Penny to Rodgers why? If your claim is that, like Rodgers, he was drafted for the future, I was showing you why I don't believe that. If your point was that he is nothing like Rodgers, then I have no idea why you mentioned Rodgers.

Andrew Luck played as many games as Penny? And I use a strawman? Neither Rodgers or Luck are anything close to Penny. Seriously dude?

You are right, a team that hasn't won a playoff game in over two years should most certainly consider it a success that they used back to back 1st round picks on players that don't play. Good Lord. Congrats, your incoherence on this has finally beaten me down. I'm done.

You should be done. Waaaay to early to declare either player a bust.

So, as I have asked many times, how long does a 1st round pick have to provide little to no contribution before they are considered a bust?

[57reasons]

this unending is Penny a bust question is way too reminiscent of the long-running is Marshawn retired question back on the ST forum. Just deal with the terminology issue and move on. in my observation all the world beside Michael and DT defines "bust" in terms of the player only, for the things under his control, not the team situation and other circumstances. In that sense Penny is not a bust. not the wisest choice in hindsight, that would have been a crystal ball to foresee that Carson would recover so well and turn out so good. now Collier on the other hand, yeah 99% sounds about right. and McDowell 110%.