Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

[Donn Beach]

I don't really see them getting offered more than Hancock. He projects as a mid rotation type but they aren't getting a top of the rotation prospect for Kepler

[Seattle or Bust]

I don't really see them getting offered more than Hancock. He projects as a mid rotation type but they aren't getting a top of the rotation prospect for Kepler

Who is projecting the current version of Hancock as a mid-rotation starter?

He was hitting 93 max reducing to 90-91 by the 4th inning of all of his starts and then he injured his shoulder again.

Mid-rotation projected starters don't have $4 million in surplus trade value with 6+ years of control.

[Donn Beach]

MLB

While he might not possess true plus stuff the way Bryce Miller does, Hancock is a reliable strike thrower in the eyes of most Mariners scouts, and because of his pitch mix and profile, he probably has a more legitimate shot at remaining a starter, even if it’s a mid-to-back-rotation projection.

[Seattle or Bust]

MLB

While he might not possess true plus stuff the way Bryce Miller does, Hancock is a reliable strike thrower in the eyes of most Mariners scouts, and because of his pitch mix and profile, he probably has a more legitimate shot at remaining a starter, even if it’s a mid-to-back-rotation projection.

"Mid to back."

Nothing about how he threw last year tells you he's any better than a no. 5. He's not going to be valued any more than that until his stuff ticks WAY up. Woo and Miller are mid-rotation projected starters at this point, certainly not Hancock.

I expected him to come out last year throwing 94-96... his velo being that down is big concerning. And he was injured, AGAIN.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, his velocity is down, he's been injured, to me he is the sort of player they should hope to get for Kepler. Kepler is a 3 WAR player with a season left on his contact. Yeah, hitting is dear, that's why they get a prospect like Hancock for a season of Kepler

[Seattle or Bust]

To me he is the sort of player they should hope to get for Kepler. Kepler is a 3 WAR player with a season left on his contact. Yeah, hitting is dear, that's why they get a prospect like Hancock for a season of Kepler

Not when the hitting market is weak and the dude is coming off an elite 2nd half.

And I'm not sure why you're only referring to Kepler now... the deal proposed also included Cabby for both Kepler and Polanco.

[Donn Beach]

Because I'm trying to simplify it. I have no interest at all on three months of baseball from the previous season, that's SSS, and I don't see the connection to the next season. The reason the twins could get a starting pitching prospect like Hancock is because his velocity is down and he's been injured, if that wasn't the case they aren't getting him.

[Seattle or Bust]

Because I'm trying to simplify it. I have no interest at all on three months of baseball from the previous season, that's SSS. The reason the twins could get a starting pitching prospect like Hancock is because his velocity is down and he's been injured, if that wasn't the case they aren't getting him.

If you're not interested in 3 months of baseball from the previous season then Cabby is worthless and the trade proposed is null.

As I said, a team trading for him would have to believe his first 3 months are indicative of what he can do moving forward. Teams also have to believe that Hancock can stay on a mound in the bigs without getting injured or he also has next to no trade value.

You don't trade 3 and 4 fWAR big league players for those kinds of question marks... I don't care how many years of service left.

[Donn Beach]

Sure, they have to believe all those things, cabbys value isn't based on three months of baseball. Sorry but I don't see a particular connection between the final three months of a season and the beginning of the next one. It's great that he played some good baseball and he gets credit for it. But I don't see where because it was at the end of the previous season it carries over to the next.

[Seattle or Bust]

Sure, they have to believe all those things, cabbys value isn't based on three months of baseball. Sorry but I don't see a particular connection between the final three months of a season and the beginning of the next one. It's great that he played some good baseball and he gets credit for it. But I don't see where because it was at the end of the previous season it carries over to the next.

Then you also shouldn't see why a 27 year old rookie he played well out over his ski's for 3 months should warrant a return of a well established MLB player w. 2x years of cheap club control.

The list of teams who need a good 2B is quite long and teams will be offering much better players than Cabby.

If Hancock wouldn't have gotten hurt I could see a trade for Kepler straight up, but alas.