Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:58 pm

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Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:47 pm
I just don't see a way going forward to recapture the run production we lost.
Teo, Saurez, Murphy, and Ford.

JD has brought us 2 bounce back attempts.

Go ahead and read the comments on both the trades and it is a landslide for the other team winning the trade.

JD is sabotaging this team and everybody but his smug ass can recognize it.
1000% agree.

With Teo he should have at least got a draft pick.

With Suarez he should have go ONE decent player or prospect. Why does he think multiple AAAA or AAA players is better than ONE MLB player????

Just assign to dump Ford prior to filling the DH hole.

With Murphy I can understand not wanting to give millions to him given his health but for Holy Fuck's sake how about find a catcher with higher than a .545 OPS Black Hole in his Pool Noodle Bat.
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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by harmony » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:08 pm

Would it matter whether the strikeouts were somewhat evenly distributed throughout the lineup or whether two middle-of-order hitters were the only American Leaguers with more than 200 strikeouts apiece?

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:13 pm

harmony wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:08 pm
Would it matter whether the strikeouts were somewhat evenly distributed throughout the lineup or whether two middle-of-order hitters were the only American Leaguers with more than 200 strikeouts apiece?
Yeah, believe me I am not going to miss either of those two in the least. Hopefully their production will be replaced. We shall see.
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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by harmony » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:22 pm

FWIW Minnesota was the only American League team to strike out at a higher rate than Seattle but was the only club among the eight AL teams with the highest strikeout rates to advance to the postseason:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1

Five of the seven AL teams with the lowest strikeout rates gained postseason berths.

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by Pharmabro » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:35 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:58 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:47 pm
I just don't see a way going forward to recapture the run production we lost.
Teo, Saurez, Murphy, and Ford.

JD has brought us 2 bounce back attempts.

Go ahead and read the comments on both the trades and it is a landslide for the other team winning the trade.

JD is sabotaging this team and everybody but his smug ass can recognize it.
1000% agree.

With Teo he should have at least got a draft pick.

With Suarez he should have go ONE decent player or prospect. Why does he think multiple AAAA or AAA players is better than ONE MLB player????

Just assign to dump Ford prior to filling the DH hole.

With Murphy I can understand not wanting to give millions to him given his health but for Holy Fuck's sake how about find a catcher with higher than a .545 OPS Black Hole in his Pool Noodle Bat.
Murphy will be an interesting one if he gets like 3X15M I would have been out but like if you said 6M + options. Having a known black hole every 5th or 6th day is a problem. Back-up catchers play a lot. Murphy was the 3rd most used bench player and was worth 1.2 WAR in 47 games. How much of a problem would another run of O'Queeff run you? -0.2 WAR in 19 PAs.
In 233 games as a M he has been worth 5.3 WAR and has been a positive contributor every single year. So Murphy will be one I track in the offseason and next year.

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by Seattle or Bust » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:41 pm

If the M's can't replace a .740 OPS corner outfielder, a AAAA DH, a .714 OPS 3B, and a backup catcher then I'm not sure what any of us are doing here.

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:49 pm

harmony wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:22 pm
FWIW Minnesota was the only American League team to strike out at a higher rate than Seattle but was the only club among the eight AL teams with the highest strikeout rates to advance to the postseason:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1

Five of the seven AL teams with the lowest strikeout rates gained postseason berths.
Why would convolute the correlation by including pitching and defense into the analysis. Ks to Runs or Earned Runs is the best cleanest comparison.
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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:52 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:35 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:58 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:47 pm
I just don't see a way going forward to recapture the run production we lost.
Teo, Saurez, Murphy, and Ford.

JD has brought us 2 bounce back attempts.

Go ahead and read the comments on both the trades and it is a landslide for the other team winning the trade.

JD is sabotaging this team and everybody but his smug ass can recognize it.
1000% agree.

With Teo he should have at least got a draft pick.

With Suarez he should have go ONE decent player or prospect. Why does he think multiple AAAA or AAA players is better than ONE MLB player????

Just assign to dump Ford prior to filling the DH hole.

With Murphy I can understand not wanting to give millions to him given his health but for Holy Fuck's sake how about find a catcher with higher than a .545 OPS Black Hole in his Pool Noodle Bat.
Murphy will be an interesting one if he gets like 3X15M I would have been out but like if you said 6M + options. Having a known black hole every 5th or 6th day is a problem. Back-up catchers play a lot. Murphy was the 3rd most used bench player and was worth 1.2 WAR in 47 games. How much of a problem would another run of O'Queeff run you? -0.2 WAR in 19 PAs.
In 233 games as a M he has been worth 5.3 WAR and has been a positive contributor every single year. So Murphy will be one I track in the offseason and next year.
What if Cal gets hit by a pitch on Tax day, breaks his wrist and is out until the AS break. Altuve broke his thumb and was out months and they still were a win from the WS. We would be absolutely screwed.
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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:54 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:41 pm
If the M's can't replace a .740 OPS corner outfielder, a AAAA DH, a .714 OPS 3B, and a backup catcher then I'm not sure what any of us are doing here.
Just read a fantastic article on Fangraphs blasting Dipoto-Stanton-Mariners on their offseason moves. However I found the comments section to be even more enjoyable.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/eugenio-sua ... good-home/

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Re: Jerry's new focus on limiting Ks

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:04 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:41 pm
If the M's can't replace a .740 OPS corner outfielder, a AAAA DH, a .714 OPS 3B, and a backup catcher then I'm not sure what any of us are doing here.
You must have been hibernating. It is public info that Seby is the back up catcher and Urias is the new starting 3B. They will just go with a RH version of Ford at DH and probably trade Miller or Woo for a mid bat close to Teo's production and hail the fact that he doesn't strike out as much.
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