Draft pick grades

[Donn Beach]

I don't feel like getting into a deal of defending it but its all part of the same system. People keep going on about how they do so good in the middle rounds, they get those picks by trading down in the first place. I think JS has a fairly involved process he follows to put his drafts together, yeah, not all the picks hit, but he is considered to be generally successful. I don't think there are a lot of impact players to be had at the bottom of the first-top of the second round to begin with, at least they are not that evident when the picks are made. Yea they are a successful team so they are not getting top 10 picks. Again, i think JS has a way he goes about dealing with picking at the bottom of the draft which half the formula is the trading down part

[Donn Beach]

What he does really is flatten out the draft, he goes for quantity of picks. Some here seem to think he should trade up and concentrate on a single impact pick, but he doesn't generally think that way. He does trade up for quality occasionally, he did with both Metcalf and Lockett. Honestly, I think its more SSS than anything, i find it hard to believe its like he is better picking in the 3rd round than the first, he needs to hire a first round specialist or something.

[D-train]

What he does really is flatten out the draft, he goes for quantity of picks. Some here seem to think he should trade up and concentrate on a single impact pick, but he doesn't generally think that way. He does trade up for quality occasionally, he did with both Metcalf and Lockett. Honestly, I think its more SSS than anything, i find it hard to believe its like he is better picking in the 3rd round than the first, he needs to hire a first round specialist or something.

I am fine with him trading done. In the first round, even at the back of the first round, you need to pick guys that can play. After the Collier pick, I would video of him. Even to my untrained eye, I knew he was going to be a bust. He just needs to pick guys that can play as opposed to picking guys in the first round that nobody has heard of.......for good reason. Collier is already 24 years old, he isn't getting much better. btw DK is only 21.

[Donn Beach]

the point of trading down really is to align the draft pick with the need, if what seems the best available player doesn't fit a need you let someone else take the pick. Its probably not even fair to say they pick for need with their first pick. McDowell was more gambling on a upside talent, so was Clark. They were really more the opposite of Collier if anything. I do think its kind of inverse to the round, the further into the draft the less need is an element. If you thought that was a bad pick fine, but i don't see something inherent in the system that is behind JS picking him, he liked him and you didn't. He traded down twice didn't he, to where he felt the draft position was close enough to where he should get picked for him to pull the trigger. Collier wasn't unheard of, that blogger even predicted them taking him

[57reasons]

Maybe there was a good reason why the majority of scouting reports had Collier going in the 3rd or 4th round. I'm so tired of Schneider's apparent need to to make waves with his first pick. The later rounds are where you are supposed to find hidden gems. He could have found a player that could contribute immediately with that pick and still drafted Collier with the picks he used on Barton or Jennings.

I can see him doing it one time or even twice but then learning from his mistake. But he does it year after year after year after year. That is the definition of insanity. He literally has never had a good first round pick in the back half of the round. That is crazy.

Carroll has had a part in it as well, I guess. Wasn't he the reason they took Bruce Irvin with the #15 overall pick, because he had some history with him from his effort to recruit him out of high school or something? It was another one of those feel-good picks like Shaquem Griffin, but to do that with a mid-first-rounder is just insane.

bad example - Irvin was a solid pick (though like the rest of that best-ever Seahawk draft class, the choice was widely panned on draft day. He was the first pass rusher chosen, and has ultimately proved to be the best pass rusher of a pretty weak class in that regard. not to mention a multi-year starter at LB. that is good value, even at #15 overall, which is not quite the guaranty of a sure thing as you would think it to be historically.

[Donn Beach]

What was wrong with Ivin?... there was Irvin, Ifedi, Penny, and Collier, those are their first round picks under PCJS...Christian was a 60th pick, Richardson was a 45th pick, Frank Clark was a 63th pick, Mcdowell was a 35th pick...That is the total of their first picks taken in the JSPC era. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. What i am missing is the common thread, what is it they are failing at season after season after season that they change?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Carpenter was a late 1st rounder as well. And then with the only high 1st round picks they have had they got Okung and Thomas. I would say they did poorly with the mid to late 1st rounders though.

Carpenter - was a below average starting OT/OG with the Seahawks
Irvin - decent pass rusher but overall a pretty mediocre talent. Could have gotten him later in the draft
Ifedi - has been a below average starting RT
Penny - can't seem to earn playing time
Collier - can't seem to earn playing time

[Sibelius Hindemith]

And the 1st pick second rounders...

Christine Michael - he is the poster boy for drafting someone on potential rather than what they've proven on the field. They could have done better signing a UDFA.
Paul Richardson - a very good college WR but a bit of a reach given his small frame which should have brought up durability concerns
Frank Clark - 1st round talent that dropped due to DV allegation.
Malik McDowell - 1st round talent who dropped due to red flags

[Sibelius Hindemith]

That seems like subpar results for picks in the mid-first to mid-second round range but perhaps that is close to what most teams do. What happened with McDowell was obviously just an extremely unfortunate event, so they get a pass on that one.

[57reasons]

What was wrong with Ivin?... there was Irvin, Ifedi, Penny, and Collier, those are their first round picks under PCJS...Christian was a 60th pick, Richardson was a 45th pick, Frank Clark was a 63th pick, Mcdowell was a 35th pick...That is the total of their first picks taken in the JSPC era. Some of them worked, some of them didn't. What i am missing is the common thread, what is it they are failing at season after season after season that they change?

nothing wrong with Irvin, that's why i said he was a bad example (for the point Sibelius was trying to make).