The New Election Interference Strategy

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by bpj » Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:51 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:18 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:14 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:02 am


I dislike Trump.

You want a civil war.

I wonder if you can differentiate the seriousness of those 2 statements before you start calling me "deranged."
We both know where our society's at.

There's not going to be any coexisting long term with how far down the path of degeneracy your side has gone. Biden's already trying to put the opponents in jail. I'm just prepared.
I don't think society is as far gone as you suggest.

Lets say that is the case, hypothetically.

If your big problem is putting political opponents in jail, I suppose you had a problem with Trump encouraging "lock her up" chants in the campaign against Hilary?

Had he "locked her up," would you have had a problem with that?
If Trump had a private email server that he wiped clean and smashed up the cellphones that had access to it to hide evidence, I'd support investigating him for that, absolutely.

They've gone looking for crimes on Trump to try and disqualify him from running again.

I think you're wrong. The country is too divided to coexist at this point. If the libs win again, they'll continue letting criminals rot the country from within and eventually people won't put up with it any longer.

And on the other side, I don't think the unhinged babykillers are going to go down quietly if Trump wins again.

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:01 am

bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:51 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:18 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:14 am


We both know where our society's at.

There's not going to be any coexisting long term with how far down the path of degeneracy your side has gone. Biden's already trying to put the opponents in jail. I'm just prepared.
I don't think society is as far gone as you suggest.

Lets say that is the case, hypothetically.

If your big problem is putting political opponents in jail, I suppose you had a problem with Trump encouraging "lock her up" chants in the campaign against Hilary?

Had he "locked her up," would you have had a problem with that?
If Trump had a private email server that he wiped clean and smashed up the cellphones that had access to it to hide evidence, I'd support investigating him for that, absolutely.

They've gone looking for crimes on Trump to try and disqualify him from running again.

I think you're wrong. The country is too divided to coexist at this point. If the libs win again, they'll continue letting criminals rot the country from within and eventually people won't put up with it any longer.

And on the other side, I don't think the unhinged babykillers are going to go down quietly if Trump wins again.
Well, she was investigated for that...

If a legitimate Trump-led investigation carried out by the justice system found that she had indeed done those things and that they are criminal actions that carry a prison sentence... would you have supported putting her in prison?

I would support that. I don't care about these people, especially if they're criminals.

I want people who do illegal things to face consequences. I don't want people in power to just get away with things because they're rich or powerful. The day that starts happening to people who are currently immune is the day the swamp starts to drain.

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by bpj » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:13 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:01 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:51 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:18 am


I don't think society is as far gone as you suggest.

Lets say that is the case, hypothetically.

If your big problem is putting political opponents in jail, I suppose you had a problem with Trump encouraging "lock her up" chants in the campaign against Hilary?

Had he "locked her up," would you have had a problem with that?
If Trump had a private email server that he wiped clean and smashed up the cellphones that had access to it to hide evidence, I'd support investigating him for that, absolutely.

They've gone looking for crimes on Trump to try and disqualify him from running again.

I think you're wrong. The country is too divided to coexist at this point. If the libs win again, they'll continue letting criminals rot the country from within and eventually people won't put up with it any longer.

And on the other side, I don't think the unhinged babykillers are going to go down quietly if Trump wins again.
Well, she was investigated for that...

If a legitimate Trump-led investigation carried out by the justice system found that she had indeed done those things and that they are criminal actions that carry a prison sentence... would you have supported putting her in prison?

I would support that. I don't care about these people, especially if they're criminals.

I want people who do illegal things to face consequences. I don't want people in power to just get away with things because they're rich or powerful. The day that starts happening to people who are currently immune is the day the swamp starts to drain.
If she was investigated by a Trump-led investigation by someone in control other than Jim Comey, or any of the other Dem cronies, yes.

Instead she got the Hunter Biden treatment.

I'm all for law and order. But our justice system has clearly been compromised by the liberals in control. Which is a good part of the reason the situation the country is in won't be solved without conflict.

If there was equal justice, nobody would be mad. But when we watch antifa and blm riot for years without consequences, and then 1,300+ J6 protesters get locked up for walking through the Capitol building, along with endless impeachments and baseless investigations of their candidate, the situation comes into focus.

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:28 am

bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:13 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:01 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:51 am


If Trump had a private email server that he wiped clean and smashed up the cellphones that had access to it to hide evidence, I'd support investigating him for that, absolutely.

They've gone looking for crimes on Trump to try and disqualify him from running again.

I think you're wrong. The country is too divided to coexist at this point. If the libs win again, they'll continue letting criminals rot the country from within and eventually people won't put up with it any longer.

And on the other side, I don't think the unhinged babykillers are going to go down quietly if Trump wins again.
Well, she was investigated for that...

If a legitimate Trump-led investigation carried out by the justice system found that she had indeed done those things and that they are criminal actions that carry a prison sentence... would you have supported putting her in prison?

I would support that. I don't care about these people, especially if they're criminals.

I want people who do illegal things to face consequences. I don't want people in power to just get away with things because they're rich or powerful. The day that starts happening to people who are currently immune is the day the swamp starts to drain.
If she was investigated by a Trump-led investigation by someone in control other than Jim Comey, or any of the other Dem cronies, yes.

Instead she got the Hunter Biden treatment.

I'm all for law and order. But our justice system has clearly been compromised by the liberals in control. Which is a good part of the reason the situation the country is in won't be solved without conflict.

If there was equal justice, nobody would be mad. But when we watch antifa and blm riot for years without consequences, and then 1,300+ J6 protesters get locked up for walking through the Capitol building, along with endless impeachments and baseless investigations of their candidate, the situation comes into focus.
That may be the case, I just don't think that Trump is a strong martyr for Republicans to prop up if they're trying to prove that the system is rigged against them.

Your sentiment would probably feel more legitimate on the outside looking in if Trump wasn't connected to so much nefarious BS.

I don't really have a side when it comes to this sort of thing. I believe that it's likely that the liberal side doesn't want Trump to win and likely have tried to push investigations against him. I also believe he's likely done a lot of the stuff he's being charged for.

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by bpj » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:38 am

What nefarious BS is Trump being charged with?

Everything they've accused him of has failed. And it was obvious to most of us they were baseless accusations.

Now they're after him for believing Mar A Lago is worth more than $18M that the judge claims. Just ridiculous.

Who deserves the money from the $400M settlement if the banks testified on Trumps behalf? There isn't even an injured party, they all made money and got paid back. The banks said they obviously do their own due diligence on asset values. So why was the case even brought against him?

The other cases against him seem just as stupid. So, what nefarious BS?

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by D-train » Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:40 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:24 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:12 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:06 am


Good. Then it's not TDS to acknowledge he's a shitty person. I also just happen to not agree with his politics.

I don't love Biden's politics either. Not a fan of career politicians. Believe he's part of the swamp too.

If either party could ever legitimately put a candidate forward whose aim isn't to fuck over half the country and could get actual policy passed to do that... I'd vote for him. I just don't think a billionaire with massive character flaws and narcissistic tendencies is the guy to do that.
Is Biden a good person?

Is Biden a good president?
I think Biden is a career politician who has benefited from his many years in office the way other people have. I believe most politicians and business people who have been doing it long enough are probably not great people. I think he presents as a somewhat decent person, despite likely doing things behind the scenes that would appall most people.

I think Biden is a mediocre president who will be remembered as such.

I have no fear however that Biden will subvert democracy as we know it. I believe that Trump's character flaws and thirst for power present a pretty significant danger to a system that's worked pretty well but has its flaws.

Ben Shapiro acknowledges that Trump presents this way, but believes the country's legal system is sound enough for him to not act on his ambitions. I disagree with him.
Holy shit man, I actually agree with you on some of the Trump personality stuff but saying Biden is a mediocre POTUS is like saying Seby is a mediocre hitter. He is the worst fucking POTUS in the history of the country and it isn't even close.
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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by Seattle or Bust » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:11 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:40 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:24 am
bpj wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:12 am


Is Biden a good person?

Is Biden a good president?
I think Biden is a career politician who has benefited from his many years in office the way other people have. I believe most politicians and business people who have been doing it long enough are probably not great people. I think he presents as a somewhat decent person, despite likely doing things behind the scenes that would appall most people.

I think Biden is a mediocre president who will be remembered as such.

I have no fear however that Biden will subvert democracy as we know it. I believe that Trump's character flaws and thirst for power present a pretty significant danger to a system that's worked pretty well but has its flaws.

Ben Shapiro acknowledges that Trump presents this way, but believes the country's legal system is sound enough for him to not act on his ambitions. I disagree with him.
Holy shit man, I actually agree with you on some of the Trump personality stuff but saying Biden is a mediocre POTUS is like saying Seby is a mediocre hitter. He is the worst fucking POTUS in the history of the country and it isn't even close.
I see you say that Biden is the worst president ever but I don't really see the context to back that up. I don't think he's really done anything drastically different from the Obama/Bush eras except that he's probably less compelling due to age. He's a very status quo president and like I've said, I'm not in love with the guy.

On President's Day, historians put out their Presidential Greatness Expert Survey. The group is made up of a mixture of self-identified Conservative, Centrist, and Liberal historians.

http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploa ... r_2024.pdf

Experts responding to the survey who self-identified as conservatives rated Biden No. 30, while liberals put him 13th and moderates ranked him 20th. All three of those same groups ranked Trump, whose presidency was marked by his flouting of historical norms, in the bottom five.

So even conservatives historians rate Biden 30th/46th, centrists 20th/46th... far from worst... pretty average. Most of them think Trump was a terrible president.

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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by D-train » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:53 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:11 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:40 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:24 am


I think Biden is a career politician who has benefited from his many years in office the way other people have. I believe most politicians and business people who have been doing it long enough are probably not great people. I think he presents as a somewhat decent person, despite likely doing things behind the scenes that would appall most people.

I think Biden is a mediocre president who will be remembered as such.

I have no fear however that Biden will subvert democracy as we know it. I believe that Trump's character flaws and thirst for power present a pretty significant danger to a system that's worked pretty well but has its flaws.

Ben Shapiro acknowledges that Trump presents this way, but believes the country's legal system is sound enough for him to not act on his ambitions. I disagree with him.
Holy shit man, I actually agree with you on some of the Trump personality stuff but saying Biden is a mediocre POTUS is like saying Seby is a mediocre hitter. He is the worst fucking POTUS in the history of the country and it isn't even close.
I see you say that Biden is the worst president ever but I don't really see the context to back that up. I don't think he's really done anything drastically different from the Obama/Bush eras except that he's probably less compelling due to age. He's a very status quo president and like I've said, I'm not in love with the guy.

On President's Day, historians put out their Presidential Greatness Expert Survey. The group is made up of a mixture of self-identified Conservative, Centrist, and Liberal historians.

http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploa ... r_2024.pdf

Experts responding to the survey who self-identified as conservatives rated Biden No. 30, while liberals put him 13th and moderates ranked him 20th. All three of those same groups ranked Trump, whose presidency was marked by his flouting of historical norms, in the bottom five.

So even conservatives historians rate Biden 30th/46th, centrists 20th/46th... far from worst... pretty average. Most of them think Trump was a terrible president.
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After the disasters Joe Biden unleashed in 2022, I didn’t imagine his presidency could get worse — but it did. In my last column, I offered my list of the 10 best things President Biden did this year. Here are the 10 worst things Biden did in 2023:

10. He made the child-care crisis worse. As my Post colleague Alyssa Rosenberg and I pointed out in September, child-care costs have been rising at nearly twice the rate of inflation. We proposed expanding the State Department’s au pair program, making this lower-cost option available to more families. Instead, the Biden administration put forward a plan that would double the cost of hiring an au pair by tying compensation to state and local laws on minimum wage, which will effectively put the program out of reach for many working families.

9. He made us more dependent on Russian uranium. If Biden wants to speed Americans’ transition from fossil fuels to electricity, we will need more nuclear power. Yet the president restricted development on more than 1 million acres of land that includes the only U.S. source of high-grade uranium ore. Since the United States is the largest purchaser of Russian enriched uranium, the move increases our dependence on Russia at a time when we are trying to isolate Vladimir Putin.

Marc A. Thiessen: The 10 best things President Biden did in 2023

8. He circumvented the Supreme Court on student loan forgiveness. With the stroke of a pen, Biden tried in 2022 to cancel half a trillion dollars in student debt, only to see his unconstitutional plan blocked by the Supreme Court. So the president used other regulatory means to write off nearly $132 billion in student debt anyway — effectively forcing blue-collar workers to subsidize the higher education of white-collar professionals and launching a frontal assault on Congress’s power of the purse.


7. He failed to police antisemitism on the left. When Biden declared his candidacy for president in 2019, he condemned the right-wing bigots in Charlottesville “chanting the same antisemitic bile heard across Europe in the ’30s.” Yet he failed to forcefully confront the explosion of antisemitic bile on the left, from college campuses to Capitol Hill, after Hamas’s Oct. 7 terrorist attack on Israel.


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6. He allowed a Chinese spy balloon to violate U.S. airspace. For days, the Biden administration did nothing to stop the 20-story Chinese craft until someone in Montana looked up at the sky and said: What the hell is that? Even Democrats, including former defense secretary and CIA director Leon Panetta, Sen. Jon Tester (Mont.) and Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (Ill.), called the president out for letting it sail over our country for a week before finally shooting it down over the Atlantic.


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5. He allowed Iran to attack U.S. forces with impunity. As president, Donald Trump drew a clear red line with Iran’s leaders, warning that the United States would respond militarily against Iran or its terrorist proxies if they killed a single American. He enforced this by taking out Iran’s terrorist mastermind, Qasem Soleimani, in 2020. On Oct. 7, Iran’s proxy Hamas killed more than 30 Americans during its attack against Israel. Since then, Iran’s partners in terror have carried out reportedly more than 100 attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, Syria and the Red Sea. Yet Biden has imposed no cost on Iran, sending a message of weakness that invites more attacks.


4. He allowed the worst border crisis in U.S. history get even worse. In fiscal 2023, the record for the most encounters at the southern border was broken for the third straight year. Just before Christmas, there were more than 12,600 migrant encounters in a single day — the highest total ever recorded. A December Wall Street Journal poll found that 64 percent disapprove of Biden’s border policies, while just 27 percent approve.

3. He blocked allies from giving Ukraine a clear path to NATO membership. At a July summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, a majority of NATO allies wanted to set a specific timetable for Kyiv’s admission into the alliance, but Biden rejected their entreaties in fear of provoking Russia — giving Putin a major victory. It’s the same flawed reasoning that has led Biden to withhold critical weapons Ukraine needs to retake its territory.

2. He continued to slow-roll weapons to Ukraine. After resisting for nearly year, Biden finally agreed in January to provide Ukrainian forces with M1A1 Abrams tanks, but the first tanks did not arrive until September. After 19 months of Ukrainian pleading, Biden provided Kyiv with Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) in October — but the United States supplied only a few medium-range missiles, which travel 100 miles, instead of longer-range missiles that have a 190-mile range. And after denying Ukraine’s entreaties for F-16 fighters for more than a year, Biden reversed course in May — but U.S. training delays prevented their deployment. He has provided Kyiv with just three Patriot air-defense systems, leaving Ukrainian troops, schools, homes, hospitals and critical infrastructure exposed. Biden’s delays have undermined Ukraine’s counteroffensive, prolonged the war and weakened support in Congress for military aid to Ukraine.


1. He announced he is running for reelection. Biden is the most unpopular president since the end of World War II. Monmouth polling in October found 76 percent say he is too old to serve another term; CNN polling in August found that 67 percent of Democrats want someone else to be their party’s nominee. Yet Biden is running, forcing a Biden-Trump rematch that most Americans say they don’t want — and making a second Trump term more likely.

This list barely scratches the surface, so, as I do each year, here are some dishonorable mentions: Biden canceled the seven remaining oil and gas leases in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge; he transferred $6 billion in frozen oil funds to Iran as a ransom for five American hostages; he announced the most draconian restrictions on auto emissions ever to try to force Americans to transition to electric vehicles; he nominated judges who could not answer basic questions about the Constitution; and he embraced “Bidenomics” even though only 14 percent say they have been helped by Biden’s economic policies.
Year 3 was a disaster. I tremble to think what 2024 will bring.
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Post by D-train » Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:09 pm

1. Inflation
2.Reducing domestic oil production
3.Hatching a plan to have ordinary working people pay off student debt in order to buy votes
4. Afghanistan
5. Chaos in the Middle East and Eastern Europe
6. The most horrific Border Crisis in History
7. Promoting men competing in Women's sports and cratering to far left loons on EVERYTHING
8. Focusing on DEI instead of merit when choosing the cabinet and VP
9. Being a combative bumbling clown and a complete disgrace to the office
10. Demonizing those that chose not to take the Vaccine

Average POTUS. Good God.
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Re: The New Election Interference Strategy

Post by gil » Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:03 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:09 pm
1. Inflation
2.Reducing domestic oil production
3.Hatching a plan to have ordinary working people pay off student debt in order to buy votes
4. Afghanistan
5. Chaos in the Middle East and Eastern Europe
6. The most horrific Border Crisis in History
7. Promoting men competing in Women's sports and cratering to far left loons on EVERYTHING
8. Focusing on DEI instead of merit when choosing the cabinet and VP
9. Being a combative bumbling clown and a complete disgrace to the office
10. Demonizing those that chose not to take the Vaccine

Average POTUS. Good God.
Regarding point 1, inflation: The U.S. inflation is in line with most other leading economies. All saw inflation spike when things came closer to "normal" (economically) in 2021-2022, after big slowdowns with the pandemic. You get credit or blame, when you are the President, but Biden didn't cause inflation in the UK or Germany. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-li ... tinent=g20

Regarding point 2: The U.S. is now producing more oil than ever before. It is now producing more natural gas than ever before. The U.S. is producing more oil than any other country in the world. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... production Incidentally, and ironically, this is one of Biden's major weakness (politically) with the LEFT.

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