A trade deadline plan

[Seattle or Bust]

I like this plan, TBH. Thanks for putting it together.

By all accounts, the Jays are motivated to move Vlad. Yeah, he's been the face of the franchise, but it looks like he will be testing free agency rather than signing an extension. So why shouldn't they move him, especially now that he's heating up (last week's AL player of the week). I don't know if that package would be enough to do it or not, but it seems reasonable. That said, there will be about 25 other teams in on the bidding, too.

The second deal gets rid of Mitch's contract (he's a hull of his former self), and adds a potent bat as another arm in the bullpen. Again, I don't know if it's enough, but it seems like a doable deal to me. The only concerns I have are around Robert's health and durability as well as the fact that some of his value comes from his presence in CF. What do you do with him? Full time DH? Can he swing to RF to replace Mitch?

I am not sure Kopech needs to be added here to make the deal work - he's 2-6 with an ERA over 4.00 Might we swing a different deal with another team for a different arm?

RE: Robert

You put him in a corner OF position and don't think twice about it. That OF would have elite range given all the speed. Durability may be a concern... prayers up he hits a point in his career where it doesn't rear its head.

[Seattle or Bust]

Good stuff SoB.

Vlad Jr. is only 25 years old with 1.5 years remaining on his contract.

If he won't sign an extension, not sure what good exclusive negotiating rights are going to do for them.

Vlad, Rooker, and Luis Robert Jr. are the right age and talent level to shoot for imo.

It would be foolish to make a trade to just improve the 2024 team.

But if they can fill a future hole with any of those guys, they should.

Dumping Dylan Moore who has played at a 3 WAR pace that you can put anywhere would be peak stupidity for this team.

Agreed.

Vlad is good, but he's also not some 6fWAR player. I don't see the Jays thinking he's going to be Babe Ruth moving forward and I also don't see why Vlad would re-sign there if they're not in a position to win. Clearly '24 was the best roster they've attempted to put forward and it fell well short.

[D-train]

I like this plan, TBH. Thanks for putting it together.

By all accounts, the Jays are motivated to move Vlad. Yeah, he's been the face of the franchise, but it looks like he will be testing free agency rather than signing an extension. So why shouldn't they move him, especially now that he's heating up (last week's AL player of the week). I don't know if that package would be enough to do it or not, but it seems reasonable. That said, there will be about 25 other teams in on the bidding, too.

The second deal gets rid of Mitch's contract (he's a hull of his former self), and adds a potent bat as another arm in the bullpen. Again, I don't know if it's enough, but it seems like a doable deal to me. The only concerns I have are around Robert's health and durability as well as the fact that some of his value comes from his presence in CF. What do you do with him? Full time DH? Can he swing to RF to replace Mitch?

I am not sure Kopech needs to be added here to make the deal work - he's 2-6 with an ERA over 4.00 Might we swing a different deal with another team for a different arm?

Jays literally just said who they are willing to trade and it isn't Vlad or Bo.

[Big_Maple]

Jays literally just said who they are willing to trade and it isn't Vlad or Bo.

And yet there is this:

"Toronto should have success moving its trade chips, but the return is going to be lower-level prospects with many of them potentially never making an impact in the majors. Considering all of the issues on the Blue Jays roster and the disinterest from Guerrero Jr. and Bichette in long-term contract extensions, it’s a bit surprising neither player will be traded this summer."

They say they think they can still contend with the core they have. We will see how they feel in late July. Unless a plane carrying every player on the Yankees crashed into a plane carrying every member of the Orioles, there is zero chance they win the AL East this year.

[Seattle or Bust]

I like this plan, TBH. Thanks for putting it together.

By all accounts, the Jays are motivated to move Vlad. Yeah, he's been the face of the franchise, but it looks like he will be testing free agency rather than signing an extension. So why shouldn't they move him, especially now that he's heating up (last week's AL player of the week). I don't know if that package would be enough to do it or not, but it seems reasonable. That said, there will be about 25 other teams in on the bidding, too.

The second deal gets rid of Mitch's contract (he's a hull of his former self), and adds a potent bat as another arm in the bullpen. Again, I don't know if it's enough, but it seems like a doable deal to me. The only concerns I have are around Robert's health and durability as well as the fact that some of his value comes from his presence in CF. What do you do with him? Full time DH? Can he swing to RF to replace Mitch?

I am not sure Kopech needs to be added here to make the deal work - he's 2-6 with an ERA over 4.00 Might we swing a different deal with another team for a different arm?

Jays literally just said who they are willing to trade and it isn't Vlad or Bo.

I'm not sure I buy it.

Again, I'm not sure it serves a purpose to weaken your hand by stating matter of factly that you will trade them.

[GL_Storm]

I like this plan, TBH. Thanks for putting it together.

By all accounts, the Jays are motivated to move Vlad. Yeah, he's been the face of the franchise, but it looks like he will be testing free agency rather than signing an extension. So why shouldn't they move him, especially now that he's heating up (last week's AL player of the week). I don't know if that package would be enough to do it or not, but it seems reasonable. That said, there will be about 25 other teams in on the bidding, too.

The second deal gets rid of Mitch's contract (he's a hull of his former self), and adds a potent bat as another arm in the bullpen. Again, I don't know if it's enough, but it seems like a doable deal to me. The only concerns I have are around Robert's health and durability as well as the fact that some of his value comes from his presence in CF. What do you do with him? Full time DH? Can he swing to RF to replace Mitch?

I am not sure Kopech needs to be added here to make the deal work - he's 2-6 with an ERA over 4.00 Might we swing a different deal with another team for a different arm?

Jays literally just said who they are willing to trade and it isn't Vlad or Bo.

I'm not sure I buy it.

Again, I'm not sure it serves a purpose to weaken your hand by stating matter of factly that you will trade them.

Ownership may not be onboard with the idea yet. If you trade those players you're essentially punting on next year and even if that's your plan it may be easier to communicate that change to the fanbase in the offseason. You may also get a better deal in the offseason.

[Seattle or Bust]

Jays literally just said who they are willing to trade and it isn't Vlad or Bo.

I'm not sure I buy it.

Again, I'm not sure it serves a purpose to weaken your hand by stating matter of factly that you will trade them.

Ownership may not be onboard with the idea yet. If you trade those players you're essentially punting on next year and even if that's your plan it may be easier to communicate that change to the fanbase in the offseason. You may also get a better deal in the offseason.

I have a hard time believing that considering it's the most robust buyer's market in recent memory.

Perhaps you trade one of them and keep the other? Seems to me locking down a SS long term is probably more important than 1B. I don't think Jays fans would be up in arms if one of them got moved. I think adding a replacement in Locklear is a good starting point.

[GL_Storm]

I'm not sure I buy it.

Again, I'm not sure it serves a purpose to weaken your hand by stating matter of factly that you will trade them.

Ownership may not be onboard with the idea yet. If you trade those players you're essentially punting on next year and even if that's your plan it may be easier to communicate that change to the fanbase in the offseason. You may also get a better deal in the offseason.

I have a hard time believing that considering it's the most robust buyer's market in recent memory.

Perhaps you trade one of them and keep the other? Seems to me locking down a SS long term is probably more important than 1B. I don't think Jays fans would be up in arms if one of them got moved. I think adding a replacement in Locklear is a good starting point.

Yeah, maybe. It's ultimately up to the Jays though.

[D-train]

It will be Rooker. His salary is something that won't keep Stanton up at night..

[D-train]

What the Fuck is wrong with people. Some national writer pulls a trade idea out of his ass and suddenly everyone is lusting after Nico fucking Hoerner and his 94 OPS+ Arroyo is probably a better hitter than Nico RIGHT NOW.