Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by D-train » Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:09 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:27 pm
D-train wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:11 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:27 pm


Yeah, but worse is the guys who host the radio shows are even dumber.

They don't actually know much of anything so they can't even challenge him.
I asked the guy that interviewed Scott Hunter why he didn't ask him if he wishes he had the QO Comp pick they flushed because they are chicken shit bitches.
A question I would ask Servais every night: "what is unique to your team's failures with the bat? the roster doesn't lack talent, so why does it routinely fall short?"

I wouldn't just take "baseball is hard," "every team goes through slumps, "blah... blah..." night in and night out.
They just don't care. Don't see any benefit to rocking the boat. No pride in their craft. It is pathetic..

Aaron Levine challenged SS about something last season and then a few months later he was interviewing him and SS was a complete dick to him.
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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by GL_Storm » Sat Jul 06, 2024 9:29 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:19 pm
Morosi on what it would take to get Vlad. NFW it would take TWO top 5 prospects given his salary and lack of D. All these guys are just complete dumb fucks.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1777747/ ... blue-jays/
The national writers want to write about big blockbuster trades with big name players and prospects, so they fan the flames.

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by Pharmabro » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:40 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:43 pm
Ketel Marte: .324/.419/.574/.993 1.8 fWAR

Jonathan India: .364/.444/.570/1.014 1.7 fWAR

Bryan Reynolds: .339/.388/.645/1.033 1.5 fWAR

Brandon Nimmo: .295/.388/.552/.940 1.4 fWAR

Christian Walker: .273/.306/.609/.915 1.2 fWAR

Brandon Lowe: .268/.351/.573/.924 1.1 fWAR

Rowdy Tellez: .354/.400/.646/1.046 1 fWAR

Seiya Suzuki: .268/.354/.536/.890 .9 fWAR

Luis Robert Jr: .240/.331/.519/.850 .9 fWAR

Randy Arozarena: .281/.407/.448/.855 .9 fWAR

Jesse Winker: .326/.431/.511/.942 .9 fWAR

Vlad Jr: .303/.346/.566/.912 .9 fWAR

JD Martinez: .262/.377/.495/.872 .8 fWAR

Pete Alonso: .268/.366/.500/.866 .8 fWAR
That is a pretty good list. and it looks like you did a lot of work to make it. But, I mean Mitch has put up a .833 OPS over his last 28 going back to June 2nd.
The other Mitch looked great through his 1st .300 .382 .500 .882
You know a trade with the Metx might be a good fit.

JDM has not played in the OF this year but has in the past and could share DH with Garver who is hitting as well.
Pete Alonso is far from a perfect player and is also a rental but you can count on walks and HRs with him and JDM for that matter.

Left field defense matters but how much? Mitch H. has 444.3 innings in LF. He had 88 chances I imagine that is fly balls that he has a chance to make an out on. That works out to 1,78 fly balls to left field per 9 innings. I imagine there are another 2- maybe 4 or 5 balls that are hit through the infield for a base hit that he would have to field and get back in.

Btween the 2 they are worth 1 and 1.2 WAR No D value nothing on the bases, and 128 and 136 OPS+ respectively. I would go 1 top 1 guy for the 2 and then some nice fillers out of out top 30 to 10 or so. If they take Mitch and Polanco I could add another top 100 guy in the deal.

What might be interesting is to see if we could get Diaz on a discount kind-of the reverse Cano deal where they pay down some of the 59.5 owed. 25 is guaranteed for 21.5M but after that he has 2 18.5 M dollar options. He has sucked this year with a 92 ERA+ but there is nothing in his data that says he has lost "stuff". His max velocity is down a it on his max speeds so far he has only hit99.98 peak on the year that is down. All the other year he has multiple maxes of at least a little over 100.0 and in 2022 he maxed out(best year 297 ERA+ year) with a 102.66 max MPH. I think he is fine and would revert to career norms immediately upon arriving in Seattle.

Where does this leave the M's.
France goes to play 2B or 3B wherever they can determine that he has the least - value. And he shares time with Moore, Rojas, and maybe Bliss.

I think this is the cheapest way that we could address three of our need areas: which is offensive production, offensive production, and quality back end BP. NY Mets have thick pockets so the match is the 15M owed Mitch is no big deal in a quick turn around year. He has the rest of the season to prove he is a quality player, and so does Polanco. Diaz has dipped in velo and the Mets ponied up huge to get rid of slumping Scherzer Metz paid all of the 2023 43.3M and 20.8 out of the 43.3 Million for this year and Verlander Mets paid 64.1M/87Million remaining salary. Mets do it again they agree to pay 1/2 the remaining money with the player option but not the club option for the last year somewhere close to 40 million.

And in return the Mets get 3 top 100's for 2 rentals and an under performing BP guy.
The BP
Munoz Closer 2024 254 ERA+
SU
Santos 2023 60 games of 131 ERA+ but 2.65 FIP
Diaz 135 career ERA+
Stanek 102 /year 120 career
LHP
Saucedo 164 ERA+ in 2024
Last 2 -3
Top 100 prospect Logan Evans starter with triple digits converted to BP for the stretch run
Best of Voth (119), Thornton( 96 ERA+ but 1/2 a run better with the FIP) , Snider (244 ERA+), Speier, Etc

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by D-train » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:48 am

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:56 pm

He swings for the fences on every possible pitch, just what the forum is pleading for lol. It's the way it's done these days

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by D-train » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:29 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:56 pm
He swings for the fences on every possible pitch, just what the forum is pleading for lol. It's the way it's done these days
If you can do that and and hit .282 with a .360 OBP and a .903 OPS then go for it. Problem is our guys do it and can't even manage a .300 OBP or or a .700 OPS.
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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:40 pm

The question is, is it sustainable. Now that jrod is struggling the complaint is he won't alter his approach. Not saying I agree, the game is about home runs, swing for the fences

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:45 am

Pharmabro wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:40 am
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:43 pm
Ketel Marte: .324/.419/.574/.993 1.8 fWAR

Jonathan India: .364/.444/.570/1.014 1.7 fWAR

Bryan Reynolds: .339/.388/.645/1.033 1.5 fWAR

Brandon Nimmo: .295/.388/.552/.940 1.4 fWAR

Christian Walker: .273/.306/.609/.915 1.2 fWAR

Brandon Lowe: .268/.351/.573/.924 1.1 fWAR

Rowdy Tellez: .354/.400/.646/1.046 1 fWAR

Seiya Suzuki: .268/.354/.536/.890 .9 fWAR

Luis Robert Jr: .240/.331/.519/.850 .9 fWAR

Randy Arozarena: .281/.407/.448/.855 .9 fWAR

Jesse Winker: .326/.431/.511/.942 .9 fWAR

Vlad Jr: .303/.346/.566/.912 .9 fWAR

JD Martinez: .262/.377/.495/.872 .8 fWAR

Pete Alonso: .268/.366/.500/.866 .8 fWAR
That is a pretty good list. and it looks like you did a lot of work to make it. But, I mean Mitch has put up a .833 OPS over his last 28 going back to June 2nd.
The other Mitch looked great through his 1st .300 .382 .500 .882
You know a trade with the Metx might be a good fit.

JDM has not played in the OF this year but has in the past and could share DH with Garver who is hitting as well.
Pete Alonso is far from a perfect player and is also a rental but you can count on walks and HRs with him and JDM for that matter.

Left field defense matters but how much? Mitch H. has 444.3 innings in LF. He had 88 chances I imagine that is fly balls that he has a chance to make an out on. That works out to 1,78 fly balls to left field per 9 innings. I imagine there are another 2- maybe 4 or 5 balls that are hit through the infield for a base hit that he would have to field and get back in.

Btween the 2 they are worth 1 and 1.2 WAR No D value nothing on the bases, and 128 and 136 OPS+ respectively. I would go 1 top 1 guy for the 2 and then some nice fillers out of out top 30 to 10 or so. If they take Mitch and Polanco I could add another top 100 guy in the deal.

What might be interesting is to see if we could get Diaz on a discount kind-of the reverse Cano deal where they pay down some of the 59.5 owed. 25 is guaranteed for 21.5M but after that he has 2 18.5 M dollar options. He has sucked this year with a 92 ERA+ but there is nothing in his data that says he has lost "stuff". His max velocity is down a it on his max speeds so far he has only hit99.98 peak on the year that is down. All the other year he has multiple maxes of at least a little over 100.0 and in 2022 he maxed out(best year 297 ERA+ year) with a 102.66 max MPH. I think he is fine and would revert to career norms immediately upon arriving in Seattle.

Where does this leave the M's.
France goes to play 2B or 3B wherever they can determine that he has the least - value. And he shares time with Moore, Rojas, and maybe Bliss.

I think this is the cheapest way that we could address three of our need areas: which is offensive production, offensive production, and quality back end BP. NY Mets have thick pockets so the match is the 15M owed Mitch is no big deal in a quick turn around year. He has the rest of the season to prove he is a quality player, and so does Polanco. Diaz has dipped in velo and the Mets ponied up huge to get rid of slumping Scherzer Metz paid all of the 2023 43.3M and 20.8 out of the 43.3 Million for this year and Verlander Mets paid 64.1M/87Million remaining salary. Mets do it again they agree to pay 1/2 the remaining money with the player option but not the club option for the last year somewhere close to 40 million.

And in return the Mets get 3 top 100's for 2 rentals and an under performing BP guy.
The BP
Munoz Closer 2024 254 ERA+
SU
Santos 2023 60 games of 131 ERA+ but 2.65 FIP
Diaz 135 career ERA+
Stanek 102 /year 120 career
LHP
Saucedo 164 ERA+ in 2024
Last 2 -3
Top 100 prospect Logan Evans starter with triple digits converted to BP for the stretch run
Best of Voth (119), Thornton( 96 ERA+ but 1/2 a run better with the FIP) , Snider (244 ERA+), Speier, Etc
I think defense in left field matters if you can't hit. Haniger can't hit and can't play defense so he's an unusable player.

The same can be said for Ty France. Since June 1st, France is hitting .157/.314/.241/.555. He's not a good defender, can't run... so he's also an unusable player.

IMO the biggest needs by far are at 1B and LF.

Lamont Wade Jr and Luis Robert would be ideal additions here.

They need to get rid of Haniger.... either DFA him or find someone to take the money on by sweetening the prospect pot... perhaps the White Sox can do that similarly to how the M's brought in Jay Bruce and Edwin Encarnacion during the 2019 rebuild year.

They can option France to the minors.

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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by D-train » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:29 pm

Mariner discussion at 33:30. Trade JP Crawford???

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/seattle-mariners
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Re: Potential trade targets from potential sellers and their numbers since 6/1

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:38 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:29 pm
Mariner discussion at 33:30. Trade JP Crawford???

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/seattle-mariners
Wouldn't bother me. JP stinks. He has a .607 OPS over his last 30 games.

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