bpj wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:52 pm
ddraig wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:21 pm
How is Israel a terrorist? Are you suggesting they do not defend themselves when attacked? Sounds like it. And Israel doesn't go around raping women they "capture" and then killing them. Nor does it take families out of their homes and kill the kids in front of the parents! They told people to go into South Gaza so as to limit incidental casualties. And they don't stand innocents up in front of them to fight behind human shields.
Are you suggesting that focused attacks on known Hamas strongholds is a terrorist tactic? Do you STILL believe that Israel dropped a bomb onto a hospital and killed 500+ civilians?
I'm suggesting this didn't start on October 7th. Hamas didn't show up one day and decide to do this.
In the same way that everyone blames Russia for invading Ukraine but ignores Ukraine murdering thousands in Donbas.
And, good question about the hospital bomb. Obviously it didn't hit the hospital, but, no, I don't think it was a failed Hamas rocket either. Video shows the trajectory from Israel. North Korea seems to agree.
Israel may not rape their captives. They just go kick Palestinians out and rape them of their homes. If "Settlers" kept showing up stealing our homes, I wouldn't like them either.
I also saw a graph showing that there were just as many Palestinians killed by Israel this year before the Hamas attack as after. I don't think we're being spoonfed all info necessary to make informed decisions.
That's the point. I think Americans are supporting Israel, but they have no idea why. It doesn't take much research to see there isn't a good guy in the Israel/Palestine fight.
The Ukraine conflict in Putin's words-
President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Good afternoon, colleagues.
We are meeting today to discuss the current developments in Donbass.
I will briefly remind you how it all started and how the situation has developed even though you know this very well. But we need general background to help us make appropriate decisions.
So, after the 2014 coup in Ukraine, part of the population did not accept the outcome. Let me remind you that this was an anti-constitutional, blood-shedding coup that killed many innocent people. It was truly an armed coup. Nobody can argue that.
Some of the country’s citizens did not accept the coup. They were residents of Crimea and the people who currently live in Donbass.
Those people declared that they were establishing two independent republics, the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic. This was the point when the confrontation started between the Kiev officials and the people living on that territory.
In this context, I would like to point out that Russia initially did everything it could to make sure these disagreements could be resolved by peaceful means. However, the Kiev officials have conducted two punitive operations on those territories and, apparently, we are witnessing a third escalation.
All these years – I want to stress this – all these years, the people living on those territories have been literally tortured by constant shelling and blockades. As you know, the people living on those territories, close to the front line, so to speak, were in fact forced to seek shelter in their basements – where they now live with their children.
Can finish reading what he says here:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/67825
(And we obviously know now that it was Israel bombing hospitals, and they've bombed pretty much every one in Palestine now.)
