Tariffs?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

He isn't being honest. I mean when you hear Trump talk you should know by now that he's just making shit up.

https://archive.is/z8PA9

He says we're subsidizing $200 billion for Canada b/c it sounds like a large scary number that dumb people will eat up.

He makes it sound like there are 250% tariffs on all purchases because it's a large scary number and concept that dumb people will eat up.

He makes it sound like Canada is even close to being on par with Mexico when it comes to drugs heading over the border (Canada represents less than 1% of the fentanyl coming across the border into the US) because dumb people will eat it up.

He won't tell you that he negotiated the most recent trade deal because of course he wont.

He says he wants to turn Canada into a state because a bunch of dumb people will think it's possible.

It's all to drum up fear so he can get a bunch of dumb people behind him to hate Canada... allowing him to do a bunch of nefarious shit that doesn't benefit the US people at all under their noses.

Such as what?

I'm stumped trying to figure out how it benefits Trump?

Is it like Gaza where he wants to build big, beautiful waterfront condos?

If I remember correctly, when Trump took over from Ob-mama, he did redo the trade deal with Canada and Mexico. But then once Sleepy-Joe came into office, I believe withing the first couple days he got rid of that deal and reverted back tot he Ob-mama trade deal.

Can anyone confirm this? And SoB, confirming would be a link and not just you saying "no".

[Seattle or Bust]

Google is your friend. There’s a million articles written by actual journalists directly at your fingertips as to the details of the tariffs and drugs seized at the Canadian border. I’m not going to do the work of very public information for you.

[bpj]

It's all to drum up fear so he can get a bunch of dumb people behind him to hate Canada... allowing him to do a bunch of nefarious shit that doesn't benefit the US people at all under their noses.

Such as what?

I'm stumped trying to figure out how it benefits Trump?

Is it like Gaza where he wants to build big, beautiful waterfront condos?

Google is your friend. There’s a million articles written by actual journalists directly at your fingertips as to the details of the tariffs and drugs seized at the Canadian border. I’m not going to do the work of very public information for you.

Lol. Yeah, so you've got nothing to back up your ridiculous suggestion, as expected.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

I always pictured SoB with breasts and a long pony tail.... Kind of like Mulvany.

As for what he/she posted....
I have realized that there are [basically] three people on these boards that will always be against what President Trump does. These people are SoB, Gil and donn. There is no talking reason to these people, if they do identify as a "people", so I mostly just ignore them. It has helped.... but I do enjoy others fighting with them and the laziness of SoB and donn 'trying' supporting his opinions, and Gil trying so support his opinions with pretty weak shit.

[Mel Bradford]

Hey....found this on google....why tariffs ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0IUh8kNSqY

[auroraave]

I always pictured SoB with breasts and a long pony tail.... Kind of like Mulvany.

As for what he/she posted....
I have realized that there are [basically] three people on these boards that will always be against what President Trump does. These people are SoB, Gil and donn. There is no talking reason to these people, if they do identify as a "people", so I mostly just ignore them. It has helped.... but I do enjoy others fighting with them and the laziness of SoB and donn 'trying' supporting his opinions, and Gil trying so support his opinions with pretty weak shit.

You need to dig deeper into the psychology of them for it to make sense. First - Donn has no opinions of his own - all he does is cut and paste other people's words, or he does the contrarian thing - classic red flags of someone who has zero independent thought. SOB is angry at life and he need a target and Trump is an easy one - it's such a simpleton move that it's utterly embarrassing. Remember - he became totally unglued because someone was selling hats on the side of the road - and he wanted us to pay for his education. His anger is more of a reflection of himself - not Trump - he is simply not evolved enough to handle is own issues so he lashes out at everyone. Jesus, this is first grade level psychology. He is a slave to his juvenile, fragile ego - hence the lashing out and anger. It's so damn amusing. "I want free shit, I want you to pay for it, how dare you sell hats, everyone is stupid but me." Are you actually taking this slack jawed troglodyte seriously? LMAO!

Gil shows signs of genuine curiosity. He has planted his flag but he seems unsure - but he has to stick with it lest he admits he got so much wrong all along. He's cordial and polite and would be fun to have a beer with. I think he is on the fence about a lot of this stuff - and as the dems completely spiral out of control he'll start to see reason and accept it, IMO. I've said it before - I am an independent, I don't care about Trump I care about taking care of US first - and anyone still pretending the Dems - people who OPENED THE FUCKING border for the SOLE purpose of BUYING VOTES to stay in power -a bill that WE are paying for - is a complete idiot. They have the lowest polling numbers in history right now. The Jig is up. It ain't about racism, it aint' about LBGTQ, it aint' about Trump, it ain't about right wingers, or Nazis, or any of the absolute crazy BS they are trying to sell you. ALL distractions. This is about the Dems massive massive grift of the american tax payers for the last 50 years - and they have been caught.

Pretending otherwise - makes you look a fool. The evidence is beyond overwhelming. The three posters mentioned above can stay the course and look silly, while the overwhelming majority of America simply laughs at them. That's the cold hard reality of today.

[XpertDBA]

Auroraave said "I don't care about Trump I care about taking care of US first - and anyone still pretending the Dems - people who OPENED THE FUCKING border for the SOLE purpose of BUYING VOTES to stay in power -a bill that WE are paying for - is a complete idiot. They have the lowest polling numbers in history right now. The Jig is up. It ain't about racism, it aint' about LBGTQ, it aint' about Trump, it ain't about right wingers, or Nazis, or any of the absolute crazy BS they are trying to sell you. ALL distractions. This is about the Dems massive massive grift of the american tax payers for the last 50 years - and they have been caught."

Not to mention trying to imprison their political opponent when they knew they were going to lose in 2024. You can talk about all other despicable things the Dems have done, but that one took the cake. And that's not even talking about how they probably hired 2 assassins to take Trump down.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Nice posts you two.

And no, I don't take SoB seriously at all. Nor do I take donn seriously. As a matter of fact, I have them "FOE'd", so the only time I see what they post is when others quote them or I am curious about what they are thinking on the subject at hand.

[gil]

Really not much is adding up about tariffs, particularly with Canada. I've seen/read that the tariffs are retaliatory/matching tariffs. Is that true? I'm not positive, and it makes a big difference.

What SoB says about the quotas and never hitting the things like 250% on dairy is true, because it's basically a cap that limits how much we can sell to them.

Maybe that does put our farmers at a disadvantage. I'd rather those products stay domestic personally anyways. But that's above my paygrade.

At this point I'm wondering if it's just about putting pressure on Canada while holding the $200 billion in subsidies over their heads trying to get them as a US territory/state.

There is a lot of political intrigue involving these tariffs on Canada, I agree. Drugs, sovereignty, etc. We also have a *heavily* subsidized agricultural sector, so even without any tariffs it's hardly a "free market." My comments are ignoring the politics. I can see that might be one of the reasons that leaders use tariffs, but as an economist (of sorts) I'll still say they cause harm.

What's the $200 billion in subsidies?

I'd feel fine about tariffs if it eliminates the federal income tax, would you? It becomes a consumption tax rather than a tax on earnings.

The link in the first post of this thread was Trump talking about the $200B, I'm guessing mostly military protection. Which, I don't know why Canada even needs it. Their most likely enemy is the moose.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9883&p=318710#p318690

Interesting idea to replace income taxes with tariffs. First reaction? That's * a lot* of money to replace! It's about 5 trillion per year, isn't it? The tariffs would have to be around 100% on *everything*, and even with no exemptions from tariffs, the decrease in imports (because of the tariff/tax) would cut into any potential revenue.

I do my best to buy American, but I am fortunate to have the luxury to pay higher prices, in many cases, to do this. I might personally benefit from higher tariffs in exchange for no income tax. But I suspect there are people who are less fortunate than I am, who purchase cheap imported stuff to make ends meet. So I am concerned about that effect (i.e., people on tighter budgets being hurt the most) of having high tariffs.

Do you really think it's a good idea? Do you think it would work?

[bpj]

There is a lot of political intrigue involving these tariffs on Canada, I agree. Drugs, sovereignty, etc. We also have a *heavily* subsidized agricultural sector, so even without any tariffs it's hardly a "free market." My comments are ignoring the politics. I can see that might be one of the reasons that leaders use tariffs, but as an economist (of sorts) I'll still say they cause harm.

What's the $200 billion in subsidies?

I'd feel fine about tariffs if it eliminates the federal income tax, would you? It becomes a consumption tax rather than a tax on earnings.

The link in the first post of this thread was Trump talking about the $200B, I'm guessing mostly military protection. Which, I don't know why Canada even needs it. Their most likely enemy is the moose.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9883&p=318710#p318690

Interesting idea to replace income taxes with tariffs. First reaction? That's * a lot* of money to replace! It's about 5 trillion per year, isn't it? The tariffs would have to be around 100% on *everything*, and even with no exemptions from tariffs, the decrease in imports (because of the tariff/tax) would cut into any potential revenue.

I do my best to buy American, but I am fortunate to have the luxury to pay higher prices, in many cases, to do this. I might personally benefit from higher tariffs in exchange for no income tax. But I suspect there are people who are less fortunate than I am, who purchase cheap imported stuff to make ends meet. So I am concerned about that effect (i.e., people on tighter budgets being hurt the most) of having high tariffs.

Do you really think it's a good idea? Do you think it would work?

Good stuff gil. First, Grok says in 2023 the US government collected $2.2T in income taxes. I haven't seen a $5T figure.

Here's where I'm at based on what I've heard, and what I've gathered asking a.i.

1) I've heard they're talking about eliminating taxes for everyone making under $150,000

2) Grok says the share of taxes that those taxpayers pay was ~$700B in 2023.

3) I don't think we (our government) need to continue spending what we have in the past.

4) Total US goods imports were ~$3.1 Trillion in 2023

Grok says that to cover $700B there would be an ~25% tariff across the board on all products, including oil, steel, and lumber.

I'm not an economist, so what do I know about whether it's a good idea or not. (I did minor in economics in college, but, I thought the entirety of going to college was a gigantic waste of time that I could have learned by reading like 4 books. College is a scam imo.)

However, I agree that taxing citizens on their income isn't the right way to fund government, because we become their minions that way, instead of the government workers being our minions.

From what I've seen, Trump would like to make some form of nuclear treaty agreement with the major powers. As a result, our defense spending could be scaled back significantly.

Right now, government spending is ~25% of GDP compared to 2-3% back in 1913 when they made the income tax permanent.

So, if they cut back on government spending significantly, as they should, I don't see any reason it couldn't work to accomplish their goal (eliminating federal income tax for those under $150k).

In the end, if that means foreign products cost the same in our markets that domestic ones cost, yes I'm fine with it. Poor people already get food stamps anyways. And they're not bargain shopping with those dollars anyways according to most evidence I've seen. They're buying steak, candy, and soda along with their essentials.