Another trade deadline plan.

[GL_Storm]

Young sucked in April and then snapped out of it but WHY can't a single one of these guys rake like Alvin Davis did.

And I know it's vogue to rip on M's prospects, but Jac Caglianone, a stud for the Royals at 22, former 6th overall, is at .165/.211/.271 over his first 90 PAs since being called up.

I mean so MLB isn't easy. I like what I've seen from Young so far despite being given little opportunity in the 9 hole and getting jobbed by umps

The Royals were also really dumb to call him up. He had 229 minor league AB's... Young has 1473.

I'm not saying Young will never be a good ball player. But he shouldn't be on this team at the moment.

I think most prospects need around 2000 minor league plate appearances. It isn't a universal rule, obviously, but I think it applies to most young players.

[desbcoach]

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[Captain 97]

Young sucked in April and then snapped out of it but WHY can't a single one of these guys rake like Alvin Davis did.

Went back and looked at AD's rookie numbers check out this comparison. Its uncanny!

Screenshot 2025-07-01 at 08-45-00 Julio Rodríguez (2022-2022) vs. Alvin Davis (1984-1984) Head-to-Head Stats Comparison Stathead.com.png (112.07 KiB) Viewed 106 times

[Michael K.]

Young sucked in April and then snapped out of it but WHY can't a single one of these guys rake like Alvin Davis did.

Went back and looked at AD's rookie numbers check out this comparison. Its uncanny!
Screenshot 2025-07-01 at 08-45-00 Julio Rodríguez (2022-2022) vs. Alvin Davis (1984-1984) Head-to-Head Stats Comparison Stathead.com.png

Interesting. I imagine if J Rod continues on this pace though, there numbers to this point in their careers won't be as similar. That said, no one said J Rod wasn't good as a rookie....the issue is that he has regressed instead of improved.

Those RBI numbers are crazy. I realize that AD played in more games, but that just goes to show how inept this offense has been for them to have very similar numbers, yet AD drive in over 40 more runs!

[Donn Beach]

gosh, who would have thunk that

talks with the Dbacks about Naylor

According to a report from Seattle Times reporter Adam Jude, the asking price for first baseman has been "high" in preliminary trade discussions, per industry sources.

[Seattle or Bust]

gosh, who would have thunk that

talks with the Dbacks about Naylor

According to a report from Seattle Times reporter Adam Jude, the asking price for first baseman has been "high" in preliminary trade discussions, per industry sources.

I'm not sure the M's would have any interest in O'Hearn or Naylor now that Raley is back.

My initial interest in both players was under the assumption that Raley was out long term, past the AS break, and this was before Canzone had come up and made an impact. O'Hearn has no place on this team because against righties you're going to roll with Canzone in right and Raley at 1B 100% of the time. Solano... b/c this front office can never predict a thing... has .900/.450 righty vs lefty splits... which is hilarious b/c he was a full platoon bat against lefties for the first 3 months of the season.

They need part-time 1B who mashes lefties. Both Naylor and O'Hearn are like 60-70 OPS+ bats vs lefties.

[Seattle or Bust]

Also, I swear to fuck so many people are just rolling around without any abilities in thinking critically.

The morons on Twitter saying, "WELL THE MARINERS COULD HAVE JUST SIGNED BREGMAN FOR $$ 3 MONTHS AGO!!!" could be the dumbest lot of people I've ever come across.

1. He wasn't interested in signing here.
2. The M's weren't giving him that contract coming off a 4-WAR .780 OPS season.
3. His play has improved so drastically that the optics of what he'll do with that contract are clear as day: he will be opting out to sign a long-term deal after this year, making him a pure rental.
4. The only reason the M's would be interested in him is if the impression is that he is a pure rental. They're never going to be interested in $40M AAV with multiple opt outs and multiple years of deferred money.

[D-train]

Young sucked in April and then snapped out of it but WHY can't a single one of these guys rake like Alvin Davis did.

Went back and looked at AD's rookie numbers check out this comparison. Its uncanny!
Screenshot 2025-07-01 at 08-45-00 Julio Rodríguez (2022-2022) vs. Alvin Davis (1984-1984) Head-to-Head Stats Comparison Stathead.com.png

Interesting. I imagine if J Rod continues on this pace though, there numbers to this point in their careers won't be as similar. That said, no one said J Rod wasn't good as a rookie....the issue is that he has regressed instead of improved.

Those RBI numbers are crazy. I realize that AD played in more games, but that just goes to show how inept this offense has been for them to have very similar numbers, yet AD drive in over 40 more runs!

And the 84 M's did NOT have a good offense.

[Michael K.]

And the 84 M's did NOT have a good offense.

The game was different too. I get next to zero enjoyment out of watching baseball today. I realize that the pitching is pretty damn good, but the approach at the plate is God awful. The amount of times pitchers get away with pitches in the dirt, well off the plate or around the fucking neck is atrocious. I can't tell you how many times I look at my phone to see two one and one out, turn it on in time to see us flail away aimlessly at balls off the dish for a strikeout, or bounce into a double play on the first fucking pitch we see.

To me this is a Seattle wide issue, and I know I've hammered on this over and over, but you can't just continue with the same fucking philosophy in the front office and then fire Offensive Coordinators, O Line Coaches, Hitting Coaches, Manager, blah blah, and then tell everyone things will be great now. If you sign and draft poor O Lineman? You will get poor O Line play. If you sign shitty hitters? You will have a shitty lineup. It should be common sense. Not here. And the GMs get to continue with the same old bullshit, and the fans buy it and the media licks it up.

This is a bad hitting lineup. The one thing that most of the people in this forum, and most of the people I talked to outside this forum all off season agreed on? That they didn't do enough to improve this lineup. BUT? It's not their fault, and now? It won't be their fault because there won't be any trade partners. No shit Sherlock, because in today's day and age? Everyone is still in the hunt at the deadline.

This team doesn't belong in the playoffs, and they won't be able to improve at the deadline. And there will be a thousand excuses for why, the team will make money, and won't care. Tickets will be sold, fluff pieces will be written....wash, rinse, repeat.

No, the 84 team did not have a good offense, and in a handful more at bats? Davis drove in a shit ton more run....with similar production. Sink your teeth into that one. That's how fucking inept this offense has been since J Rod's rookie season. And that fucker JD still has a job. He'll probably trade our best relief pitcher a few days before the end of the deadline this year, tell everyone to be patient, then do jack shit and raise his hand up in confusion....and it won't matter one fucking bit.

[Donn Beach]

Also, I swear to fuck so many people are just rolling around without any abilities in thinking critically.

The morons on Twitter saying, "WELL THE MARINERS COULD HAVE JUST SIGNED BREGMAN FOR $$ 3 MONTHS AGO!!!" could be the dumbest lot of people I've ever come across.

1. He wasn't interested in signing here.
2. The M's weren't giving him that contract coming off a 4-WAR .780 OPS season.
3. His play has improved so drastically that the optics of what he'll do with that contract are clear as day: he will be opting out to sign a long-term deal after this year, making him a pure rental.
4. The only reason the M's would be interested in him is if the impression is that he is a pure rental. They're never going to be interested in $40M AAV with multiple opt outs and multiple years of deferred money.

They could have signed him or Alonzo if they would have coughed up the sort of contract they were looking for going into the off season. They weren't signing them to the sorts of contracts they agreed to with the Red Sox ànd Mets respectively